Can the last WAC team please turn out the lights?
It was no surprise that Boise State would one day leave the WAC, but it still was jolting that “one day” would be today. The Broncos will be joining the Mountain West.
Sort of reminds me of a guy who invites himself to a party.
For all of the posturing, this is a blow to the WAC — and UH — with a direct hit to the bank accounts. Boise’s departure means:
• Losing potential BCS money.
• Having a diminished national TV value.
• Losing the Humanitarian Bowl.
• Forcing the remaining WAC football teams to scramble for one more game each year starting in 2011. (And that won’t be easy to fill, since UH has filled the bookened dates. It’s tougher to book the October/November pukas.)
For the WAC, there is no good news.
If you’re keeping score, that makes 13 schools that have left the WAC in the past 12 years, with Boise State joining Brigham Young, Utah, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State, New Mexico, Rice, Tulsa, SMU and UTEP.
Somebody better put one of those tracking bracelets on Nevada, Fresno State and Louisiana Tech, or else UH will be competing for a real Independence Bowl.
Here’s WAC commission Karl Benson’s statement (from the WAC site):
WAC Commissioner Karl Benson-
“While I am disappointed that Boise State has elected to leave the WAC, I am very optimistic that the WAC will continue to have success in the future and that this change in membership will allow us to build even a better WAC for the future. The WAC has been very good for Boise State and Boise State has been very good for the WAC. But it’s not the first time a school has left the WAC and each time it has happened, a school or group of schools have stepped up and performed at a level that brings the WAC national credibility. We have a very strong foundation of schools going forward and others that are showing vast improvement in their athletics’ programs, and I expect that one of these teams will do just that – step up and perform. And as I have said many times – when schools join the WAC, they get better and I am sure that too will be the case regardless of the team or teams that will join the WAC in the coming months. The WAC Board of Directors will begin immediately to evaluate possible replacement teams. However, a specific timeline has yet to be determined as we continue to follow the changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics that is currently underway.”
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Jim Donovan said UH will petition for an interpretation on USC’s ban of playing a 13th game. Donovan believes it would create a financial hardship for UH if the 2010 season opener were to be canceled. It also can be argued that USC’s violations occurred after the UH-USC contracts were signed.
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Congrats to Mike Trapasso for receiving a well-deserved contract extension, especially after being on win-or-else terms the past two years.
With that done, it’s time to:
• Hire another full-time worker for the compliance office. We all grumble, but the compliance office is understaffed. And, as USC found out, a good compliance office can save a lot of grief later.
• Hire a full-time receptionist for the football department. There are new offices, new conference rooms, even a new bathroom. But football still doesn’t have a full-time receptionist or secretary.
• Hire another full-time coach for the weight room. And while we’re spreading the money, how about a pay boost for strength coach Tommy Heffernan, who now is taking on full responsibility for the football program.
Hoooray I’m first!!!!!!!!
2nd
Still no numbers?
4th!
I always wanted to take the fifth!
Morning Hawaii!
You’ve got to be kidding. Why waste money on a full time secretary. Having a full-time secretary means that you will need to have a bigtime, fulltime, football program. Wouldn’t want that would we?
Merry Aloha Friday!
One more Friday to go this school year.
Whoo-hoo!!!
don’t you guys sleep?
Who’s awake? Al?
I’m getting hungry…
AL:
I slept – of course I am six hours ahead of your time zone!
I’m up because I was working on a few photos from the Big Karaoke Call last weekend. I keep walking off to talk to someone and leave my camera on the table. I put the camera on the table so I don’t forget to take pix… 🙁 Then you have to consider some pix just should not be posted. 🙄
Anyway, what I have posted for now is at the bottom (chronologically) of the Karaoke Call web page at:
http://homepage.mac.com/smurashi/photos/karaokecall2.html
WATCH GODIFU — have you posted under another name here? Please tell what city/state you reside in.
usc on espn allowing fb recruits to leave with no strings attatched due to sanctions imposed on the school from ncaa violations.
Been a long time since Al and I competed to see who fell asleep in their computer chairs first….
ST — there is a difference between a receptionist versus a secretary. Maybe a receptionist can be provided with student help (does the UH still have those hires? I used to be on long ago). A secretary position requires higher skill sets and compensation.
SteveM,
good morning my friend.
Hey mctruck! Glad you’ve been with us all this time!
Aloha Kakahiaka!
In LA waiting for the flt to Newark.
ST comes up with good ideas. Glad the UH AD reads this blog. 😆
congrats, Coach Trap!
A Hui Hou!
I agree with ST on the need for another compliance officer! I’ve been talking about the need for this for years and it hurts UH on the field every time a recruit is lost at the last minute or a player doesn’t get a 6th year or gets it late (Francis Maka).
I full-time receptionist would be nice for the program, but a fully staffed compliance office is a necessity for the Athletic Department! Even other WAC schools with much smaller Athletic Department budgets can support 3 full-time compliance people!
Trouble is, the Athletic Department has to *cut* staff instead of add people until the budget is balanced. They cannot cut coaches, so they just don’t fill all of the positions.
Another compliance person would be nice. A full-time receptionist would be nice. Raising salaries would be nice. But how does an Athletic Department with a $2 million deficit afford that? The Student Fee won’t even cover all of the deficit, so UH has to raise additional money (like with the parking auction) and may have to find other things to cut just to break even.
I went to USC’s website and they have *7* compliance people listed.
If Texas A&M and Oklahoma go to the SEC instead, could *Kansas State* end up in the Pac-10?
40 Athletic Directors and all the conference commissioners will be meeting for the next few days. Given all the conference shuffling going on, those meetings should have some interesting discussions.
Good morning, Garret.
USC has/had 7 compliance officers? The job market might open up. BTW. if found a photo of you with Wreck and Kama that I forgot to post last year (Rich2176 Ticket Karaoke Call). I added it.
Thanks for the pix, SteveM!
Suggestion- have the newest events at the top to save scroll and wait 😆
LizKauai — are you traveling in a group or by yourself? In any event, “Safe Journey” for now and “Break a Leg” when you get there! Huh…
By the way, I got the link for the financial data from WSN. Unfortunately, that data was 5-6 years old, so it doesn’t apply to today’s Athletic Departments. So, I’m guessing that most Athletic Departments today are losing money unless they have a big TV contract to bail them out.
SteveM,
From what I read 2 years ago, Alabama has *8* full-time people in their compliance department just for football!
SteveM. I am alone the first 2 legs but meet up with 11 or so more members in Newark. Time to make new friends!
Actually, two former Hawaii peeps are in the choir too.
Good morning Steve M and Garret !
Beautiful Friday morning here in Los Angeles with sunny skies and clear clouds with tempertures warming up. The new blog is a lot different from the old one as I don’t see any numbers and typing in this setter is quite longer from the other BUT we can’t have everything !
World Cup is on as my team “Brasil” I am always looking forward to cheer and win as I played professionally over there for Rio Claro which is 2 hours away from Sao Pualo. Enjoyed Brasil back then in 92 as samba, cuba livre and carnival was a “TREMENDOUS” experience !
Happy King Kamehameha Day to ALL of you good folks as I remember my younger playing days in Hawaii I would marvel at the stature and enjoy all the beautiful leis around him.
Taking it easy today as I gather with you good folks and share quality words of communication as all is quiet here in Trojan land until I get out and see my USC associates, colleagues and friends as I know yesterday events still have them in a up roar !
Have a good day guys and always enjoy life to the fullest !
Good morning Tsai-kos!!
Happy King Kamehameha Day to you all!
OK, some of us have to go to work, so, in the words of Aaaaahnie, “I’ll be back”
ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs,
With all the stuff Garrett writes about regarding the conference shuffles, maybe we will literally, be left in the middle of the ocean. As such, UH will need to re-think their conference ties. There may come a time when the Pacific Rim conference will arise with universities in Japan, Korea, Australia, Micronesia, and Hawaii. Of course, football as we know it may become extinct and some high tech version of it ala Rollerball, Tron, or some other sci-fi type competition will take its place (I hope it is not some mega cyber version of Grand Theft Auto). Change is hard but a necessary thing to keep us from stagnating not only personally but culturally.
Great Morning All!
As Garret says, it’s a challenge finding funding for new or unfilled positions when their is a running deficit with which to contend however, in some cases it may make sense to go ahead with the expenditure if it falls into the category of an “investment” towards the betterment of the department.
It would seem that another person in the compliance office might fit the bill.
I notice that the remaining Inner Circle parking passes can be purchased for $250 today. I wonder if this will impact the tax-deductible amount for those who paid $400 on the 1st day of the “reverse auction”?
Garret I have said this many times before but they could try to use some volunteer help to ease up the work load in the compliance department, also in other area’s of the athletic department. There are a lot of retired fans who would be willing to help out, without a cost to the department.
Have a terrific day erryboddy, lucky if you get to relax on da holiday…
Oddawise, HiHo!
d1 I can’t see why.
Pomai,
No need subject da Kupuna to the wrath of the Unions!
heheheh
“I notice that the remaining Inner Circle parking passes can be purchased for $250 today. I wonder if this will impact the tax-deductible amount for those who paid $400 on the 1st day of the “reverse auction”?”
I hope NOT!! ;(
Pomai,
Volunteer workers could be a major NCAA violation risk because anyone who has donated to UH or supported UH in any way would be considered a booster. The people who would volunteer would probably fall into that category. Having boosters work in the compliance department would be a huge risk because every time they talked to a student-athlete and every time they worked on a file for a student-athlete they could easily commit an NCAA violation.
I guess the only way it would be considered okay would be for someone to volunteer who has never donated to UH and never supported UH in any way. But why would those people work for free in the compliance department? And why would be want a fan of some other school (like Fresno State) be able to get UH’s players declared ineligible by making a “mistake” on one of the files?
If you think about the implications of allowing boosters to be in charge of eligibility of athletes, especially how schools in the SEC would abuse that, you’ll see why the NCAA would monitor any school that let boosters volunteer in the compliance department.
More detail information on USC has revealed that Reggie Bush received $600,000.00 in benefits as well as his Mother and Step Father receiving a “NEW” luxury house in San Diego. Bush NEVER co-operated with the NCAA as he was aarogant and evasive towards them as many insiders feel if he was contrite and forthright 4 years ago when all of this went down then the penalties would of not been to severe as you have read on the infractions and penalties.
USC to this day claims “they did not see this coming” as Kiffin is doing his best to damage control but it has been approved this morning that USC Juniors and Seniors can transfer to any school with out sitting out as good folks you may have USC coming in September with nothing but freshmen, sophomores and walk on’s making up their roster !
If there is any time to get SC will be NOW as watching them devour us over the years has not been a good feeling as the program is in complete “PANIC” mode as LA media is reporting that AD Mike Garret is in deep trouble in losing his job !
Kiffin on the record is trying his best to keep future recruits that have verbally committed BUT that has taken a twist of Faith as future prize players who want to come can’t come because of no scholarships being available with 30 being the magic number that the NCAA has taken away from the Cardinal and Gold.
When it rains it pours as SC Juniors and Seniors are up for the taking BUT they may be tainted too as it is not only Reggie Bush but many other SC players who have been receiving extra benefits BUT not on the same level of #5 who will lose his Heisman and will “NEVER” be welcome to USC again !
For example, anyone who donated to the bracelets for the softball team, or paid a seat license for football, joined Na Koa, or even donated for the bike, would be considered a booster. Slugger would be a great volunteer, but she would be considered a booster for UH and could bring a huge NCAA headache if UH let her volunteer in compliance.
UH could end up having to pay 2 full-time compliance people just to make sure they could use volunteer help in compliance!
RainbowCliff,
If you read the *long* NCAA report on the violations, the NCAA has the phone records that show exactly what day and time USC’s RB coach talked with the agents that bought the house for Bush’s family. The agents asked USC’s RB coach to talk to Bush to honor his commitment with the agents since they put out all that money.
Not only did the RB coach *not* report Bush to the NCAA, he let Bush continue to play that season even though he knew that Bush should have been ineligible. The RB coach was not fired and *still* works for USC (for at least a few more days maybe), so USC is on the hook for his actions.
Article in the main Atlanta paper discusses why Texas has to listen to the SEC now. It is interesting that the governor of Texas is an A&M grad and that Stallings (long-time Alabama football coach) in on the Board of Regents for A&M while he lives in Atlanta and wants A&M to go to the SEC.
I remember how a couple of weeks ago the SEC’s commissioner publicly said that they would let Texas have their own TV network even if they joined the SEC…that was a big concession to Texas that might help Texas A&M convince Texas to go to the SEC.
The SEC will apparently not expand unless the Big 10 goes to 16 teams.
The Big 10 could force Notre Dame to join them by using Missouri as a backup plan.
Have a pleasant King Kamehameha Day good folks as I am off to enjoy the roads of sunshine and places in Los Angeles with sounds of “NA LEO” blasting from my 4 door european coupe sedan !
I completely agree with this part of the article.
Okay so Boise is gone.
What’s next for the WHACK?
Garret that would also apply to anyone working in the department correct, paid or volunteer? So if a person is paid to make copies, run errants, do odds an ends are they not subject to the same rules that a volunteer would be. Just because you support a team doesn’t mean that you can not be objective in your work. If just a little of the grunt work was taken away from the compliance officer wouldn’t that help them to be able to spend more of their time on important matters?
Rainbow Cliff
Love watching World Cup soccer. Can you explain what is that buzzing sound that continues during the entire match? Is the sound worse in person? Mahalo.
BSU to the MWC just became official!
SteveM: Mahaloz for putting up the pics!
OMG, homey was right…..I really AM white fo’ one book-book. ((((Tsai))))
Oh,
Howzit and Good morning gang!
Pomai,
*Paid* compliance workers are considered a part of the University, *unpaid* workers would be considered boosters. It is fine for paid workers to donate to the University (heck, at some Universities I worked at, it was assumed you would and they took it right out of your paycheck.
Press release on BSU’s website:
Good glad to see you and your smurf turf go.
Sorry this is being mean, but I hope they raid the poop out of the MWC.
Garret, USC is coming apart little by little as AD Mike Garret and the trifiling Running Back Coach will eventually be dismiss.MONEY & POWER is what USC is all about and Mike Garret does have heavy connections with boosters and alumnus who like him BUT this is a MAJOR blow to their HUGE egos and will cost USC millions of dollars over the long haul as many supporters coming to Hawaii to watch the game vs. the Warriors will not be large as anticipated.
Not only football has been penalized, basketball behind OJ Mayo and the Women’s Tennis Team has been found “GUILTY” of improper violations as the “HITS” keep on coming !
Take care Garret and best regards to your lovely family !
Also with taking BSu I really don’t think that it will help MWC get into the BcS like they want. Why do you think all this realignment is going on? They want bigger to keep it all to themselves. But I do think they stand a chance of messing things up bu getting the congress involved in this.
Seems like it would be in the WAC’s interest for Texas to LEAVE the Big 12. We may be able to poach UNLV or San Diego State from the MWC.
Aloha Kakahiaka!!! Happy Aloha Friday & King Kamehameha Day!
BSU down, next domino…
From our “fearless leader” 🙄
The guys must not let BSU will the WAC this year. Send them out on a low note.
Ok so it’s happened. We’re down to 8 teams.
8 Football Teams
8 Women’s Volleyball Teams
7 Softball Teams
8 Mens and Women’s Basketball Teams
…and baseball stays the same.
I don’t care if it’s BSU or Idaho that left. Benson better get to work and start making some connections.
That wouldn’t mean anything. In the end Boise State won and we’re left holding on to our okoles.
I wonder what’s to become of our deal with ESPN sans their love-affair with BSU football.
NO NEED TO HIRE FULL TIME SECRETARY GET A COUPLE OF UH STUDENT
IT CAN HELP PAY FOR THEIR SCHOOL TUISION. WAIT I TAKE THIS BACK
GO GO GO **** HIRE PRINCESS LEILA WAI ****
Chopsueyboy: The sounds you hear at World Cup Soccer matches are these long huge horns that fanatic fans brings with them and are allowed in the stadium as watching a World Cup Soccer Match is an “AWESOME” experience !
Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Africa Teams, France, Germany and Italy are notorious with the horns as it is “LOUD” with fans dressed in their teams colors, face painted with wild and crazy cheers for their beloved team and country !
LOVE World Cup as “futball” is loved out side the United States and it is a must see event and National past time as the entire country celebrate it’s teams and players when they play as there is no one on the streets of Brazil as everybody is watching Brazil play with the city completely empty and every cafe and bar filled to capacity !
Advante Brasil !
skycap sorry no can the NCAA has decided that her mother’s, sister’s, son-in-law’s, cousin’s, nice’s son is a booster.
Pomai,
As long as UH *pays* the workers, it is okay for them to work in compliance. I actually like skycap’s idea to have student workers serve as receptionists and as help for the compliance office. Student workers are cheap and they don’t have the overhead costs either…and students would love to help the Athletic Department and have jobs on campus!
The Princess would be an amazing hire for UH’s Sports Information office. I could see stories and videos taken to the next level for UH Athletics if they hired her. She would love her job and do a great job for UH.
Always a pleasure reading your post’s good folks of Tsaiko Nation. We are in a battle with Boston for this NBA Championship and Andrew Bynum is ailing with his bum knee and it now comes down to a best of three !
Need Lamar Odom to show up and hopefully Ron Artest can give us a shooting game in which ALL of LA fans panic when he hoist it up from the outside. Sunday is a BIG day for us as one thing for sure the series is coming back to LA and I will be there taking in the moment as the 7th wonder of the world in these Laker Fans here in Los Angeles will have their Laker gear on and voices loud with the chant “Boston Sucks” as it is “HILARIOUS” to see especially if it’s for the NBA crown !
Take care folks and will chat with you later !
The Big 12 is apparently investigating their ability to stick together even if they lose Texas and Texas A&M (Big 10? SEC?). Oklahoma is one of the schools left behind in the Big 12, so that conference will have some power.
San Diego State and UNLV both field teams in women’s volleyball and in softball, not to mention the addition of two more teams in baseball if the WAC can snag them or at least one.
Mr. Tsai,
I will have to agree with you 100%!
We have all been hearing and seeing the obvious results being delivered off the field and in the weight room with Tommy Heffernan as Strength and Conditioning coach at UH, he sure as heck deserves a boost in pay as you mention.
If I am not mistaken, Heffernan assumed the football team’s responsibility after the departure of Mel DeLaura and STILL maintained the workload he already had, meaning EVERY OTHER athletic team on campus, and NEVER got a pay raise.
Shouldn’t the department at the very least shift over the money they were already bugeted for DeLaura to Heffernan?
I mean it does seem like an absolute NO-BRAINER, but then again it is UH right!
WHAT!!!!!!!!! NO WONDER THEY GOT ALL THESE VIOLATIONS!!!
THAT’S 14 EYES LOOKING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!!! 😆
SDSU had to increase their student activity fee because their Athletic Department couldn’t afford to keep football otherwise. Their Athletic Department now gets $10 million from the student fee! Moving from the MWC to the WAC would cost them about $3 million per year due to TV contracts, NCAA basketball money, etc. That isn’t even counting the higher travel expenses.
Given the latest round of budget cuts for the California State Universities, I think that SDSU would have to drop out of D-IA before they could move to the WAC. They simply cannot afford to lose that amount of money by switching conferences!
It would be my dream for SDSU to be a WAC school because I could go to so many UH games for all sports. However, they cannot afford it.
Good riddance to Boise. Don’t let the door hit you in the okole on your way out.
(Just venting – don’t get on my case.)
re: pay raise for Heffernan – is his position, in State & UH parlance, a permanent G-funded position? If so, the only way to give him more than the union-negotiated raise is to promote him into another position or upgrade his position, both of which mean they have to open a search, etc.
So now the USC game on 9/2 is in jeopardy?
That just kills the value of my season tix.
Rainbow Cliff
In the early 1970’s I was in Thailand, and the whole city stopped when there was a match on tv, it didn’t matter who was playing. At the same time because a bunch on chinese youths overturned and put on fire police cars, there were tanks in the streets and little kids still playing futball around the tanks
KARL BENSON ON THE SPORTS ANIMALS ON ESPN 1420AM THIS AFTERNOON.
The value of season tickets is more properly related to the value of the program in which you possess season tickets for.
If the NCAA sanctions will prevent USC from playing a 13th game, they will have to drop the UH game I guess…that would be so bad for UH, especially after JD got the Regents to approve the price increase for those tickets.
Somebody leave the door open?
I just woke up and found out that he WAC only has eight teams.
Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Bye bye Boise! Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
What page in the official dox mentions how Reggie Bush’s family got the hook up for the Hawaii game back in 05?
If the win is vacated…(because the family got the hook up) does that mean that game is no longer a ‘sellout’?
Tso tshocking eh Tsai?
Anyone gonna leave Mountain West?
See what happens when ST falls asleep!
So, if I’m interpreting Benson correctly???…he’s just going to do what he’s always done for the rest of the WAC……nothing!!! Even less now that BSU is going to the MWC.(I’m surprised he didn’t get an escape clause to leave with BSU).
Hmm.. if they hire the Princess.. gotta come up with a better title than “Secretary” or “Office Admin” or Receptionist…
morning all..!
Nebraska made its leaving for the Big 10 official.
Doesn’t the MWC now have to drop a team or pick up another?
Eh No Make, et al
Tommy’s job is state employment thus is limited in step and class. If raises are done outside of the state system then it will fall to Na Koa as it does currently for the FB Player Personnel position and subsidy for 1 coach as well as a tangential subsidy for all coaches via Na Koa paying for clinic expenses. This increase for Na Koa could be difficult for many reasons.
Compliance is a whole different issue. I went through the compliance manual mutiple times for Na Koa issues and it is complex and confusing. Infractions, even if manini and not brought up by WAC and NCAA compliance officers, are often self reported by UH as well as all other NCAA schools (or so we believed until most recently). The NCAA limits the personnel that may work on compliance. This is a position that screams UHAD employment for safety sake.
A receptionist would be a nice touch but at $2.2m and going up I believe that it is not in the budget. This is where a volunteer group could help out. Look at the success of the Aloha greeters at HNL (until the program was cut out) and at many of the town information centers: all volunteers.
Hi jojo! Hi mctruck! Howzit made! Wassup Kazz! Welcome bb!
Good morning Tsai!
ATTN SPORTS ANIMALS…
I know Chris and Gary read this stuff.
Make sure you ask Almighty Karl Benson tough questions. No buttering up!
put him on the spot. make him uncomfortable.
Upgrade does not need a search. Promotion to another position does need a search.
You can get the link to the 67-page NCAA report at this link. This part gives more details about how USC’s RB coach spent time with Bush and his agents while Bush was playing for USC. Note that USC *admitted* that their RB coach was with Bush and a recruit who was on an official visit when they spent time with Bush’s agents at a club! They admitted that a recruit on an official visit met with Bush’s agents right in front of their RB coach! And USC didn’t fire their RB coach when they admitted that!
Garret-
Has Benson indicated that he has any kind of contingencies for the WAC in light of all the conference realignment?
I hope Carl Benson is at least trying to salvage the USC game by talking with someone from the NCAA! The way things are quickly panning out.. USC may be our last “big” game for years to come… I suspect UH may have to reschedule some for 2011 and forward…
realignments*
It gets kind of depressing when you look at all this movement, it seems that no matter what UH is left holding the bag once again.
Oz – position upgrades take *much* longer than promotions. The upgrade has to be approved by the BOR, if the position is designated as BOR-appointed.
longtime lurker there, and here. 😀
You guys are doing a great job holding Benson’s feet to the fire regarding conference stuff. I also want to thank Garret for the links and the rest of you for explaining stuff so clearly! And props to RainbowCliff for the on-the-ground news from USC. Thank you all.
What finally pushed me to post is my irritation with how passive the WAC office is being. We need to be hearing from Benson, like right now, that he has contacted the appropriate powers for a determination on the UH-USC game. As you guys have pointed out over the years, Benson is supposed to be working for UH and the other WAC teams. Let’s see a little more proactivity, not just reactivity, huh?
No it does not have to be approved by the BOR, it can be approved by Manoa Human Resources. Upgrades of most APT positions were delegated by the BOR.
Howzit Everybody,
The craziness officially begins. Hopefully U.H. doesn’t get caught with it’s pants down and hopefully Benson can lift his jaw of the ground long enough to counter the BSU move.
Hold on people it may be a fun day a movement. This probably will not be the last move of the day. Next Nebraska to the Big 10? or does Notre Dame end the madness for now by joining the Big 10?
You would have thought we had learned our lesson when Texas pulled out or Michigan, we should have had a very large buyout in the contract with usc to cancel.
It seems like Mel deLaura had a special arrangement with the football. I wonder if that could extend to Heffernan.
Welcome greenthumb! Where are you posting from? (SteveM is gonna ask you that soon enough. 😆 ) You make some good points! Keep posting!
I read portions of that report. Gosh, USC did some shady stuff. I did a search for the term “Hawaii” and it comes up multiple times in regards to the 2005 game.
So what’s to stop the MWC from picking up the two Kansas teams and offering spots to Fresno and Nevada ?
ON THE BRIGHT SIDE………Uh has better chance to win the WAC!!!!
I can visualize Carl Benson in his office.. chanting…
fingers crossed…
legs crossed…
“Thank God it’s Friday… Thank God it’s Friday… Thank God it’s Friday… OHmmmmmmm”
Tom,
What WAC?
Da Punchbowl Kid — thank you! So here is another once, certainly Uncle Herman put a cancellation penalty clause into the contract with USC. Right?! (on my roaming Oahu laptop)
madeinhawaii — not Benson, at this rate. 🙁
* yawn *
Good morning everyone!
My largest regret about Boise leaving (aside from the bowl and post season $$$ they shared) is that we never beat them on that ugly blue field of theirs. But we have one more chance this year…
they should make a Mr. Potato Head for our commish instead of Elvis
http://www.elvis.com/news/full_story.asp?id=2297
EVERYONE, REPEAT AFTER ME:
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name’ sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.
FCS teams… Jesus… 🙄
chopsueyboy,
Why would you want to waste a perfectly good potato?
FCS…that’s BENSON.. how can the WAC go any further when the head thinks so lowly of his own conference… sheesh.
madeinhawaii
then we can deep fry him
Like it or not, the WAC has become a FARM conference of D1 football…
Division IAA schools (FCS)…the future of the WAC….that’s the brutal reality of it. Who else is the WAC gonna convince to come over?? The WAC is a mid-major conference with some decent to good top teams, and bottom feeders that teeter on Division IA eligibility.
Best hope is for someone else to pillage the top MWC teams, then Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii beg to get in (seems to work). Imagine the welcoming look that we’d get from Boise.
madeinhawaii Says:
June 11th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Tom,
What WAC?
Made….The Weak @ss Conference of course
DPK — thanks for asking. While the techies have statistical data on hits outside of Hawaii, we don’t see it. Besides, as bloggers we are more interested in the person than IP address. While the methodology is crude, we have found these interesting people over the years… 🙂
http://home.roadrunner.com/~smurashi/tsai-kos/mainintpost.html
So we have another 12 game schedule for 2011? Aiyah! I expect that too will be another FCS school filling that slot… too bad… The impact to UH is huge.. if USC pulls out this season there will be a lot of clamoring for refunds or partial refunds on season tickets… Student activity fees don’t go into effect till 2011 so that won’t help offset anything for 2010…
Deep kaka..
deep deep deep…and deeper
and Benson is looking to add another FCS… sheesh.. more expense.. less TV revenues..
Sorry folks we are screwed again by Benson, to me it all started to fall apart a few years ago when we had his brother as the AD. I said a long time ago that the fumbler was out to destroy UH sports, I have to think he is still at it, maybe not at what he is doing now but what he did in the past.
Maybe for UH to survive they will have to find a way to reschedule their time slots.. earlier games on Saturday? Maybe even Sunday… Be the last available game to televise in a time slot that would still find football fans in much of the US still awake. Even if it’s just the second half.
We (number of posters) might have saved the blog but how do you save UH football?
Doesn’t it make sense for the WAC to look for a new commissioner? Karl Benson’s association with BSU makes it questionable as to where his loyalty lies.
oldie there is no question it lies with BSu not the WAC
THE END OF DAYS IS NEAR…
IT’S NO COINCIDENCE THAT COLORADO STARTED THIS AND THAT THEY HAVE 666 WINS IN THEIR PROGRAM’S HISTORY.
I’m ready for it 12/21/2012.
If this destroys UH athletics as a whole as we know it, screw it! I’d rather be dead.
My take on SDSU is they are losing money by the boatload because they can’t compete in the MWC. Playing TCU, BYU, Utah and now Boise as well as traveling to high altitude venues is killing attendance at home football games. TV money cannot compensate for their lousy football team. Winning is SDSU’s only hope to survive as a D1A program. Staying in the MWC because of TV money is like placing a band aid over a gunshot wound. It might extend your life for a few minutes but unless you get real medical help you ain’t surviving. Joining the WAC might be a leap of faith but when you are doomed anyway might as well be worth a try. Garret your thoughts?
Boise has lost all their underdog appeal by leaving the WAC. They will become just an average run of the mill program stuck in mediocrity between Utah and BYU.
Good luck, BSU. I wish you all the best.
Lets move forward with the programs that remain. Lets build better ties with fellow WAC members that go beyond athletics.
Yep.. now all those MWC teams will be hand picking recruits from Boise’s back yard each time they come to play.
Who from Hawaii went to Boise this year and last year and even the previous year? We won’t see them come 2012?
BTW- For all of us who grew up in the 70’s, actor Ikeda Shunsuke who played Ichiro on Kikaida 0-1 passed away.
RIP 0-1!
Good morning Tsaikos!
Happy Kamehameha Day!!!
Pretty disappointed from what I read so far of Commissioner Benson’s statements. Sounds a drowning man going down with the ship, but the difference is that this so-called Captain has no plan. We expect much more than that he had months or a least a week after recent speculations to come up with a plan or at least a stronger statement to signal other schools that we will survive.
Thanks Garrett and everyone for the info.
ct
It’s not a far stretch to say that Boise St was not only the marquee team in the WAC but also the team that gave the conference any credibility. Making it to 2 BCS AND winning both.
If Hawaii were to be competitive in the sense of getting higher national rankings year in and out and winning a BCS bowl would it have made any difference? Would MWC find any need to add us?
I dont like the fact that we have to look towards expansion in at the D-1AA level…If we thought our conference credibility was in question since 1999, well you get the picture.
There HAS to be another option out there, somewhere, over the rainbow.
Happy Kam Day everyone.
As the oldest member of the WAC, Hawaii should push for a commissioner that would have the best interest of the WAC and Hawaii in mind.
How about Bob Hogue, currently commissioner of the PacWest, or Dick Tomey, who has the respect of many in the sports community?
RE: BOISE ST
I wonder if it is possible for the WAC to change the way it distributes money received from one of its teams participation in a BCS bowl?
It seems like Boise St. has one of its best teams coming back and it may be ranked in the top 5 to start the season. Boise has a very good chance to make to to another BCS bowl. So I’m thinking, what if the WAC member schools vote to change the way it divides up the money received from a member’s BCS appearance just for the 2010 season? Change it so that ALL WAC schools will share equally in the entire amount received from the BCS appearance. That way we could hit Boise with an extra financial “penalty” for leaving.
Just a thought.
Benson, Benson, Benson.
A lot of BS from a BSu alum.
Karl Benson had YEARS to plan and upgrade the WAC.. he knew from many years back that BOISE was going to leave and wanted to leave… how he manages to keep his job is anyone’s guess. Now that Boise is gone, hopefully Benson’s days are numbered too.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
from ESPN 1420
Texas, Oklahoma, and etc. will join the Pac-10 as early as Tuesday.
With the USC game in jeopardy this season and Boise and Fresno away, sure drops the value of season tickets and “preferred” parking. Going to be really a hard sell next season.
Any more word on the USC game?
Old Diver,
SDSU just doesn’t have many football fans. Even when they win they cannot get their fans to pack the football stadium. They rely on $10 million from their students, basketball money, MWC TV money, and bowl money to help them balance their budget.
With BSU in the conferences, the MWC will either get an AQ spot or get BCS money from one of their teams making a BCS bowl. That is a nice bonus for them.
The economic key for SDSU is basketball. They do draw fans to their basketball games when they do well, and they have done pretty well recently. The MWC also gets a lot of teams into the NCAA tournament, which brings in a lot of money for each team in their conference. If the WAC was a better basketball conference, then the money difference wouldn’t be as great between the MWC and WAC.
For men’s basketball, SDSU was 25-9 last season and made the NCAA tournament. The season before they went 26-10. They have won at least 20 games since they went 24-9 in the 2005-2006 season. That is 5 straight 20+ win seasons…winning that much for that long has built their fan base.
Like someone said, Benson should of had a clause in his contract that if BSu leaves, he leaves with them.
It’s great to hear Benson with such flowery language, and i paraphrase, ” the WAC will remain a credible and competitive conference…”
The question is HOW…what is the PLAN…
After Boise won its first BCS, Benson should have had some idea that given the opportunity BSU would want to leave…Why was a contingency plan only being thought of in the recent meetings in Las Vegas?
808ike,
Chip Brown has been saying that all Texas was waiting for was for Colorado and Nebraska to officially leave first. This way, Texas isn’t the “bad guy” and can say that they had to move. Having Colorado go to the Pac-10 first was a clever move because the Texas Legislature couldn’t blame Texas…there just isn’t room for Baylor now.
Is it just me or was the loudness and specificness of the Pac-#’s denial of expansion news a few days ago an indication we’d be hearing of additions within a week or two? I think if we went back and parsed the language it would be interesting to see the precision of the wording. (just a guess)
Also, a question for the brain trust: Is Benson’s contract public information? It would be interesting to see what kinds of benchmarks and/or accountability are built in.
Benson has had a plan for quite some time now. Sadly, it has been to get one of the D-IAA schools to move up. Texas State might not be bad if the California schools do not have enough money to move up now.
Both La Tech and Karl Benson openly say that La Tech is trying to get into the C-USA. That would actually save the rest of the WAC schools a lot of money, so the WAC doesn’t mind La Tech leaving. However, they can only be replaced by D-IAA schools.
If Fresno State or Nevada get their way into the MWC (if the MWC wants to go to 12 teams and cannot get the Big 12 leftovers), then they also will be replaced by D-IAA teams.
For at least 1 year, the D-IAA schools that join the WAC will count as D-IAA wins even though they are full WAC members. So, if a team like UH already has a D-IAA nonconference opponent, then the wins against conference opponents that just moved up will not count towards bowl eligibility! You could have almost all of the WAC teams fail to qualify for bowl eligibility if they couldn’t count 2-4 conference wins.
d1島: I don’t know the details, but I would imagine that there is a set value for the parking pass (the amount of which you paid is not tax-deductible), and then anything extra is considered a tax-deductible donation.
Isn’t that kind of how the premium seat contributions work? Everyone pays the same for a sideline ticket, but depending on the section, the mandatory donation value differs.
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From one of Ferd’s articles:
My question to this: What if the school in question (e.g., Wisconsin) took advantage of the Hawaiʻi exemption, and scheduled a 13th game? I’m not sure things would be okay in the eyes of the NCAA. So in this scenario, Wisconsin would get an extra home game, and then the additional opportunity to play in the conference championship game. Then the runner-up (e.g., Purdue) gets told (possibly at the last minute) that they need to pack their bags and head to Hawaiʻi?
Then again, I’m not sure schools in a conference with a championship game would want to schedule a 13th game, when you figure the lack of bye weeks. So if the Hawaiʻi exemption isn’t as significant a motivating factor, that hinders our ability to fill those open spots.
Garret,
Agree. Many thought Nebraska and Colorado were the key. They just put things in
motion. Both schools made their move because they may get left behind or may be
that the mercy of BCS conferences.
For all those complaining about Karl Benson’s performance (that includes me!), the only people that get to decide his status with the WAC are the conference Presidents. *They* seem to give him contract extension after contract extension, so they must like what he’s doing.
Of course, if you are BSU you must have been happy with Benson. If you are NMSU and cut $3 million from your Athletic Department budget, you probably are satisfied with Benson since you don’t care about athletics much. Idaho and Utah State are in debt to Benson for picking them for the WAC.
UH never seems to complain about Benson, and even asked him to come to speak on HF’s behalf.
Jason,
If UH is able to get a deal with a conference like that, *NO TEAM* would take advantage of the conference exception. With the need for bye weeks, the value of the Hawaii exception is quite devalued already. The travel costs would also be extremely high, as they would have to book flights for an entire travel party at the last second.
I think, when the NCAA allowed all schools an additional game expanding to 12,
the exemption game for UH got thrown out the window.
I wonder how many schools actually do schedule a 13th game (besides Hawaiʻi) …
Garret,
If 4/9 teams are DIV 1AA, there is no point in the conference trying to be competitive at the national level…I don’t think we get much from ESPN should that be the case.
Greenthumb,
WELCOME!
I’m not a Benson apologist and I’ve often been frustrated by the WAC’s lack of being proactive, but seriously…what does the WAC really have to offer anyone? Awesome TV contract…no; large TV market….no, automatic BCS bid….no. It’s hard to be proactive when you have no leverage and negotiating chips.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20100611_UH_faces_scheduling_quandary.html
What exactly does Donovan mean by “getting insurance on the opponent?”
I guess you can insure almost anything haha.
Paco,
That’s definitely the “push” factor that Boise feels with the WAC and the “pull” factor that MWC has…well 2/3 anyway.
The question then should be what can the WAC offer to make it more appealing?
Tsaiko Nation, coming from USC, local radio talk shows and my relationships with USC supporters and alumni there is no talk of any games being cancelled as Kiffin is taking the approach that they will ralley behind this mess and continue to boast a strong team with a national poll of voters stating 43% that USC will win the Pac 10 conference !
NO players have declared to leave and Star quarterback Barkley is staying put with a GREAT work out from every player who is determine to restore the PRIDE of USC football.
What is really buzzing is Pete Carrol reputation as he has angered many here in Los Angeles of NO control of the football program and how he left knowing what he did or didn’t know about the infractions as he is getting killed on the radio talk show as a traitor and weasel of saving his own okole !
AD Mike Garret has been talking to many USC boosters around the country trying to keep the BIG POCKETS from leaving their donations to other places as he has received mix applaudes with a reporter asking him directly about his job situation and he stated with a pat to the reporters chest “I worry about your job” in a sarcastic tone and continue to address the USC audience that they will be “GREATER” from this debacle and “FIGHT ON” !
So Tsaiko Nation hold your fears and keep your USC tickets as of this time the Trojans are still coming with really USC Officials using the Hawaii trip as a get away vacation to alumni, supporters and fans as they have already paid for paradise in their package deal with Trojan Aloha Shirts ALL sold out !
Gotta go pick up my kids as I continue to up date the latest from Trojan Land !
Paco,
You are right that the WAC has no leverage. Proactive is to create the leverage.
The good news..
The Warriors aren’t in the bottom 100-120 in Athlon Sports pre-season Rankings.
The bad news..
not by much.. we are #94…
The good news…
We are ranked above Utah State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, and UNLV. So, we are halfway to a bowl game… Colorado State is at 89.. so that should be fun… Army isn’t far behind at 85… Louisiana Tech’s at 84 but we play them here… and I can’t find Idaho!
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/19050/nos-111-120
Didn’t get an answer before so I’ll ask again. . .
Anyone know how to get numbered entries on this blog using an iPad?
I have it on the iPhone. I believe that’s because it’s using a mobile view.
I had numbers on the iPad when it was a Honolulu Advertiser site. I’m using Safari as my browser.
Now might be a good time to approach the NCAA an petition to see if Hawaii can get an extension to the football season..either a weekend earlier or a weekend later?.. (is there a closing date for NCAA Div I football seasons?). That would allow visiting teams to play a 13th game and still preserve their bye week.
Oldie,
Sorry I can not help you.
When it comes to computers, I’m in K-grade. Flunked last year, probable flunk
this year. Will try next year to graduate.
There are techies on this blog but not me.
oldie..
Does Safari offer a “style” option under their menu options? If so.. try clicking on one of the style options.
“Regardless of what the Mountain West might do, or Boise State might do, the WAC is going to continue to be a credible and recognizable conference,” Benson said.
How can, when the WAC cannot attract any marketable D-1 programs so it is forced to “scour” D-II programs???
What is Benson smoking? He had 3yrs to figure this out…He needs to resign.
Petition won’t do much good for UH. Conference championships are going to kill the December games.
For UH fans, this is a dire situation.
Then again, when your school is 2,500 miles away from the next Division I school …
MIH,
Good idea to start earlier. Many problems to extend 1 week later. Not sure but the
team can start practice X days before school starts. If there were no regulations,
teams would start practice in June.
Is there any way that the WAC and MWC merge into a super conference?
Pomai,
That would be awesome. Take the top 16 teams. However I don’t know what the chances are as something like that hasn’t even been discussed yet.
Somebody, refresh my memory.. when the WAC expanded to 16 teams what exactly happened to cause the falling out?
mih,
Lack of “institutional control” by the WAC office! 🙄
MIH,
I did see the post about Style/No Style, but I can’t find anything in the iPad Safari about that. Funny that I had the numbers when HA was running the site.
Would the MWC be interested in expanding to have a conference championship game?
I recall during the late weeks of the Undefeated Season some fans were booking flights LAX in anticipation of UH going to some BCS Bowl; their plan was to work on the connections once it was known where the team was headed but they took advantage of the lowest airfare they could find to the West Coast with as much lead time as possible.
Couldn’t UHAD to something similar by booking seats or a charter well in advance from the West COast for a TBD opponent from a conference like the Big 10/12/16?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-boisest-blueturf
How come they get new fieldturf free? I suppose that just one of the additonal benefits that comes along with a consistently winning program.
mih,
sounds like a warranty or customer satisfaction issue
No news on ESPN 1420 statement in regards to Texas and etc.
Anyone know how to fashion a noose and a slip knot?
I guess the way to really make money is to be good at one sport and to SUCK at the rest.
That’s just and logical right?
Oh my, how could I forget!
Happy Kamehameha Day to one and all!
A-joe –
Your remarks make a lot of sense.
What we don’t yet know is if any MWC teams will be raided in the coming months.
Kazz,
If the sport is football, nothing else matters.
But BSU is good at *more* sports than UH. They win more WAC titles than UH. Their men’s basketball team won the WAC and went to the NCAA tournament in 2008. When you compare men’s basketball success, I’d hate to say that what BSU has done has sucked.
d1shima,
But the Big 10 doesn’t get any TV money and the travel expenses for that type of flight might actually cause them to lose money on the UH game. What benefit would *their* conference get from that type of game?
C-USA’s commissioner has already begun the process of trying to get the Big 12 leftovers to join their conference. If they are competing with the Big East, the problem the Big east has is that they have no room for anymore basketball teams.
This is a good example of a non-AQ conference being proactive and trying to improve their situation. They aren’t just sitting around and worrying about which team they will lose, they are going after Baylor, Kansas, K-State, Missouri and Iowa State.
My take on this is…if we win 10-13 games a year for 10 years straight we would be in demand and call the shots like Boise State.
The way I see it; pac10 merger will consist of five teams from the old big12,(colorado, texas, texas tech, oklahoma, oklahoma st.)and utah from the mwc.
That’s why it was important for the mwc to get bsu onboard.
I still think the wac shud be proactive in trying to get SDU and unlv.
Garret,
I would think it would be the other way. Big 12 trying to get TCU and some C-USA.
808ike,
I agree that C-USA probably will be the ones to get raided. However, at least they are trying to advance themselves instead of just playing defense. If the Big 12 leftovers give up on the conference, they will be happy to take those teams.
Parking Deductions
I believe that when you receive your parking pass your receipt will show the amount paid, the quid pro quo amount, and the amount you may itemize. That is typically how the Foundation works.
Notre Dame just dumped their 2013 game against Army in Yankees Stadium. Needing to get rid of nonconference games…could be the first real sign that Notre Dame is preparing to accept an offer from the Big 10.
Des Moines paper has an interesting proposed Big 12. If TCU left for the Big 12 and Utah left for the Pac-10, there will be some openings in the MWC.
Garret,
If the Big 12 leftovers give up, they deserve what they get. Leftovers have the
upper hand. Shame on the Pres. of their respective schools.
Congratulations to Coach Trap and the baseball team!
Good luck to Coach Heffernan on his 37 mile journey.
Garret,
Agree with Big 12 scenario.
Good luck to Boise St. Hope they continue to schedule Hawaii and start a rivalry between the WAC and MWC.
BTW, good afternoon everyone!
I don’t think that the so called big12 leftovers get to keep their BCS status once the big boys leave…so who makes that determination?
BG808,
For a WAC and MWC rivalry to exist, there has to be a WAC.
All this stuff going on…
Is exactly why I went to the Sugar Bowl…
Hawaii News – StarAdvertiser.com…
I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…
Belated happy birthday to Bulla!
Safe travels to LizKauai!
I can’t see the Big 12 leftovers choosing CUSA over MWC if it came to that. I also can’t see the Big 12 trying to make a go of it without Texas and Oklahoma. They can try but that conference wouldn’t be deserving of an automatic BCS berth in my opinion. Of course that is what I think of the Big East, so what do I know!
Kazz,
I am sure there will be a WAC conference after all the dust has settled down. It might not be as strong once all the top tier teams in the WAC leave, but the WAC will weather the storm, again.
If Hawaii wasn’t in Hawaii, we’d have a bigger shot.
If UH football won 10 or 11 games a year for 10 years, we’d be in the Hawaii Bowl. Maybe if we went undefeated for 10 years in a row, then we might make some noise.
Geography works against us more than ever and was one reason/excuse for those current MWC teams to ditch in the first place.
Nevada hasn’t been so hot as a whole and neither has Fresno State, but they have a bigger geographical advantage and could be invited to the MWC.
analyst are saying that when the dust settles, there will be basically five mega-confrences AQ/BCS.
Garret,
I was thinking that Hawaii would be footing the bill for the LAX-HNL-LAX trip.
Forgot!
LizK,
Safe travels to and fro.
” HAVE A BLAST “
I still would like to know what UH is doing to protect itself. Forget about the WAC, I’m more worried about Hawaii sports in general.
808ike, right on. got an email from ISU president expressing their dissapointment with the defection of CU and NU. I told him that I sympathize with their plight, but ISU did nothing to protect the NCAA. Greed and money made them blind to what college sports is about and now they are paying the price. The schools left in the Big 12 basically were complacent and accepted the BCS as god. The only true way to solve most of the problems is to give the NCAA back their powers and not let the BCS run them over. What is to stop the BCS from breaking away from the NCAA and forming their own “non profit” college athletic programs?????
Hawaii has to find a way. This could be JD’s legacy as an AD if he finds better opportunity for Hawaii. Time to really shine JD.
Unfortunately, I think UH’s best protection is to stay in the WAC. As the WAC goes so does UH. UH as an independent won’t work.
KARL BENSON WILL NOT BE ON THE SPORTS ANIMALS THIS AFTERNOON, BUT JIM DONOVAN WILL.
Paco,
BIG 12 leftovers will take C-USA members before MWC members except TCU because
where are the conferences getting their $? TV. To get more $, need more people
watching TV in your conference area. MWC schools have a lot of land but 1 TV
every 50 miles.
WHAT?
Karl Benson is FLAKing the Sports Animals show now….
Chris and Gary got bigtimed!
miles= sq. miles.
USC Sanctions–
Sorry I’m a day late on this topic but here’s what I think of the USC sanctions. I’m surprised these violations don’t occur more often in college sports. Majority of the athletes who find themselves in this situation are athletes who have a good opportunity to play at the next level. These athletes are selfish and are not only hurting themselves by doing what they are doing but are hurting the game, university, fans, conference, teammates, image, recruiting, etc.
So, what is the NCAA going to do to prevent this type of individualized violation from happening? How are we going to hold these individualized athletes accountable? Holding the university after these individualized athletes have left is not the way to go. Universities may have the best compliance department in the world, but in the end, you can’t control these individualized athletes off the field no matter how much you educate them on the university’s or NCAA’s code of conduct. Money is the engine that drives their decision. So, you have to fight fire with fire. One idea is to put a language in their scholarship contract about violation of this particular rule. The punishment has to be monetary or denial to play at the next level for so many years. Another idea is to completely erase all his/her college sport(s) accolades. The third idea is to make agents pay for it also. These agents know the by laws of the NCAA and yet, time and time again, they continue to violate them.
Lane Kiffin, now, has an excuse as to why he won’t be delivering championship trophies anytime soon.
mostly everyone on this blog is thinking football in the conference shake ups, but basketball pays the conferences for 6 years (I think)if they make the big dance. with 64, 65 teams in the tournament and all of them on TV, thats a lot of money. the farther you get in the tournament, the more money the conference earns. Hawaii has done nothing in basketball, with Wallace’s lame duck years, (forced to retire) or Bob Nash’s inept teams.
Totally agree with Kazz. We could have the best sports programs in the nation and our geography will always work against us. I think the day is near where the subsidy issue for visiting teams will come up again. Losing BSU and replacing with smaller schools and their small budgets will probably cause the travel cost issue to come up.
The violations do occur.
It’s just avoiding getting caught.
I went to a prominent Pac10 school and countless of times I saw shady stuff going on. Everything from steroids to airlines hooking up tickets to secret envelopes with cash being passed.
Football should have its own football conferences away from the other college sports. All this realignment can’t be good for other sports rivalry.
Paco–
I agree. To be independent means to have a big following. Unfortunately, Hawaii isn’t there yet.
If tv viewer$hip and network affiliation is all that matters,with football being the king of the hill, than areas/schools throughout the nation without that viewership can and will be extinct in a matter of short years.
I can see many institutions dropping football as a result and thereby concentrate on the other sports…and maybe that’s where everyone else will find some sense of normalcy. Right now, there are many schools who excel in the other sports and do just fine without football.
Football TV money is driving this. If so Kansas would be going somewhere and not left behind.
Whitey,
You are right. NCAA had control.Big (now BCS ) schools challenged NCAA in court.
NCAA lost. BCS formed. Now up to present situation.
bb: I agree. I went to a prominent Pac10 school also and saw lots of things. Everyone does it.
To my short list above I can also add TONS of weed smoking, manipulation of grades and/or cheating, and lots of free meals and food.
Its just too bad that USC got a little over their head and got caught.
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mctruck, your reasoning that many teams will drop football is really a reality. without football, then title IX will be more equal in other sports for men and women. unfortunately, Hawaii as a state, produces many D1 and professional football athletes. it would be so sad if Hawaii has to drop football, but could be a reality in the distant future:(
oldie:
at least you at K-level
i still stay at pre-school level!!!
Whitey,
As far as the furture, you are also correct. NCAA is a parasite for the conferences. Conferences gives NCAA $ to survive. Big test is the statement
against USC.If they win the law suit, they will get some respect and power from
BCS schools. If they loses, NCAA probable has been.
furture-future.
bb–
Yes, violations do occur more frequent than what is reported. What I am saying is how do the NCAA put a stop to it? I don’t thing holding the university accountable is not the right thing to do. The NCAA has to make the athlete and the agent accountable. Athletes and agents who knowingly violates the NCAA by laws should be held accountable in some sort of fashion. Taking away R. Bush’s Heisman trophy doesn’t deter others from doing the same thing.
All I have heard so far in the news is about the USC sanctions and no sanctions from R. Bush and his agent.
d1shima,
I didn’t realize that. *That* would make a game cost a reasonable amount of money for the Big 10. But still, UH pays so little for teams to travel that a Big 10 team might just break even on the deal even if UH covered the LAZ-HNL round trip.
Don’t forge that the Pac-10 dumped the Hawaii Bowl because they lost a lot of money sending a team there. C-USA openly admits they lose money by sending a team to the Hawaii Bowl. Maybe that works for a conference to get another bowl game to brag about, but a regular-season game doesn’t bring the same type of benefit.
What if a Big 10 school doesn’t want to have their players miss classes to travel to Hawaii? It is one thing to go to a conference title game for the right to play in the Rose Bowl, it is another thing to do it for no money and no big bowl reward.
Things would be different if UH offered to play at the school that come to Aloha Stadium. But schedules are worked out 5+ years in advance so they might not have room for a UH game there.
BG808,
It’s sad yeah? That other sports that do well in their areas and carry their weight of wins and losses are at the mercy of one sport.
I mean the root of it all is our society. As a society, we’ve chosen football as king and the money maker, but then when your football team starts to stumble, then the problem transfers over to those that FAIL to realize the importance of sustaining the football program for the better.
With the recent news of student fee implementation and that new UH football offices I hope this is not too late.
BleedGreen808,
The problem is NOT that Bush and his family took money. The problem is that USC’s RB coach took calls from Bush’s agents that were paying Bush, hung out with Bush and his agents, knew that Bush was getting paid by the agents (since they asked him to make sure that Bush honored their agreement with him after they put out all that money), and USC ADMITS THOSE THINGS…and USC did *not* fire that RB coach. So, you have a USC coach participating in the NCAA violations and not getting fired by the school.
Normally at a school you see any coach involved with violations get fired right away!
Montana is excited at the chance that they have to get into the WAC.
Mctruck,
Your prediction may become reality if the other schools can not keep up.
“Everyone does it.”
The line that judges and 3rd Grade teachers most love to hear! 👿
i’ve said on the HA post the Jim Donovan should lobby the NCAA to host a preseason “bowl” game a week earlier than the rest of the other teams to help Hawaii secure big name schools and keep their 13 game exempt status. this “bowl” game, being before the regular season, will be the only game on a football starved nation on a TV channel. getting big name teams at the end of the season for Hawaii will be a thing of the past.
Wow! What a goal by SA!
(I wonder if they are defending the South goal in the 2nd half? 😈 )
A-House,
I think I stay pre-school too.
A-House,
It was me in K-grade. I’ll join you in preschool.
Garret–
Thanks! If that’s the case, then the RB coach should be fired and fined also.
What I’m trying to get to is finding ways to deter others from making the same mistake. To do that, you must go straight to the source and that is the athlete and agent.
Kazz–
I have faith just like how you had faith in the softball team from the beginning.
oldie, A-House, what dat preschool? never made that far.
OK, gang, the worst option, cut out football at UH, and work with the other sports programs may be the only option available. Da hell with conference realignments.
Someone will have to make that recommendation NOW and let’s see reactions from UH administration, Legislature, Gov and Mayors, student, players, and fans.
OK, Jim D, it’s in your hands!!!
True story…
For a spring break I was going to Mexico. A trainer for the Pac10 school that I attended asked me to purchase a whole bunch of roids on the other side of the border. When I went to the Mexican pharmacy there were dudes with huge ass guns guarding the doors. I wussed out. The last thing I was going to do was get stuck in Mexico because of steroids.
papajoe2: That’s worth a try. Hopefully the NCAA would do it to help us out.
BleedGreen808,
I believe that the agents have been banned for life from being sports agents. They even have had criminal charges against them. So, they did *not* get off from this…they didn’t even sign Bush, so they lost all that money they spent on him.
It is hard for the NCAA to do anything against the player because they do not have any power over Bush once he stopped playing in college. They can take away his stats, but they can’t fine him or anything else.
Cutting out the football team will close down the UH athletic department. Football revenue funded the softball team, the baseball etc.
A-House,
You and I need computers that we can talk to so they can do all the research and
typing by voice. Like in “STAR TREK”.
A-House,
But football is the big money-maker for UH Athletics. The travel costs really hurt the other sports more since they don’t bring in money. Cut football and you probably have to cut all of UH Athletics.
Garret–
That’s great. I don’t know what the legalities are but one idea I can up with was to have some sort of language on the athletes’ scholarship contract.
So does anyone think that UH will start charging for the other sports teams?
i.e. women’s softball
At this point I’m hoping the Big 12 invites Boise, Utah, BYU, TCU and Air Force, forcing some kind of MWC/WAC merger. If the WAC loses Fresno State, Nevada and maybe Utah State to the MWC we are cooked.
BleedGreen808,
I would agree with that. At least require the students to pay the school the full amount of what their scholarships were worth. Bush would have to pay for 4 years of USC tuition, books, per diem, monthly stipend, value of the bowl gifts, etc. That could be a $200k penalty for an athlete…but if they knowingly violated NCAA rules, they should have to pay back what the school provided them.
If the WAC crumbles and Hawaii were forced to give up D1 football, how would that affect the standings of our other sports? Women’s volleyball could probably find a new home.. men’s is already not part of the WAC. … Softball? Baseball? Soccer? Basketball? Where could they go?
I agree with this. Utah going to the Pac-16 depends on Texas A&M going to the SEC and would make the MWC more vulnerable to being raided by the Big 12.
The Big East kept their BCS status, bowl agreements, and TV contract even when they were down to *5* teams. If Missouri is stuck in the Big 12, then they have 5 teams and their TV contract is MUCH bigger than what the MWC has.
Garret,
Think there is/was a law suit against Bush for the $.
madeinhawaii,
The other teams (aside from maybe volleyball) wouldn’t be able to go anywhere. Nonrevenue sports already lose money for their conferences–why would they add travel to Hawaii?
Worst case then is the end of Div I athletics all together at UH. How many fans are going to show up to watch UH play teams like Cal Poly or UC Davis every week? With decreased revenue from football there will be NO money left to fund the other sports. The legislature has insisted that athletics be self-sustained, but again the may not be possible. Truly a sad end to a once proud program.
What happens in the next few weeks and months will define Jim Donavan’s tenure as AD, he either successfully navigates UH through the conference realignment or presides over the end of Division I athletics at UH.
Japan
The LA Times explains the problem for the UH-USC game. USC officials are discussing *today* what they will do about probably having to cancel the UH game.
BG808, faith is admirable. For me, the softball team had their destiny in their hands and I had faith in the coaching staff.
The future of UH athletics as a whole is NOT in our hands. I don’t trust or like a lot of people.
The NCAA probably added that rule because Alabama took advantage of the Hawaii exception to give their team a “pseudo-bowl” game in Hawaii to end their seasons while they were on NCAA probation. By closing that loophole, the NCAA might have ended the ability of UH to take advantage of bowl bans to other schools.
Old diver: looks more like MWC will pick up the Big 12 scraps. CUSA will try to get in the mix for those schools, but MWC would seem like a better move for those schools. Of course, it all depends on Texas. Word should come on Tuesday! They could stay in the Big XII.
Made,
As a sports society in a whole, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF INDIVIDUALS, no one cares about volleyball, softball, water polo, tennis, golf, etc…
Is it right or fair to the student athlete and fans? HELL NO.
But what does “fair” have to do with it? It’s all about the money.
Garret–
$200K as a penalty is not enough to deter anyone if the athlete has the potential to make $10 or more millions per year. Let’s look at USC’s case. How much money do you think they will end up losing with the two year bowl ban? Let’s just say $4 mil per year and in two years that $8 mil. Now let’s look at the 30 scholarships USC will lose and how long it will take to recuperate. Here’s an example, I was watching ESPU last night and one of the college football analyst used Miami University as an example. It took Miami 6 years to get back to where they were. Now we go back to USC’s situation and 4X6 is $24 mil.
Kazz,
You know what I’ve been thinking about a lot? Most of the leaks about BSU getting the MWC invitation a month or so ago were coming from *Fresno*, not Boise. Why would the Fresno media know so much about the MWC operations? Why would Fresno State personnel know so much about what is going on within the MWC?
I’m guessing that Fresno State has been lobbying the MWC for admission. That would be no surprise to anyone. The rumors from a month ago that the MWC would add Fresno State and Houston if they wanted 12 teams might have some substance.
If Houston left C-USA, La Tech probably would join C-USA. That would mean that UH would have *3* WAC opponents that would count as D-IAA wins. WAC teams would have a hard time to get bowl eligible.
Redzone,
Correct!
UH had an opportunity to start 6 years ago. The powers to be sat on their @$$
waiting for someone to do it for them or had no vision. If UH had a monopoly
on the Japan market, UH may have been part of the equation.
Question from a frequent, loyal lurker: I notice that the WAC vision statement reads “…WAC will be recognized as one of the premier Football Bowl SubDivision conferences.” Does FBS mean Div. IAA?
Kazz–
I don’t care what anyone says about you, you are a good guy.
BG808,
Just tell them to come see me in person and present their problem with their fist.
They can find me on campus quite a bit during the fall and spring seasons.
PuaMohala–
No. FBS is Div 1
Kazz–
When I met you, you strike me as a “lover” not a “fighter”. j/j 🙂
I’ve never quite understood the rationale on the Japan/Asia market. What is the appeal for college sports to get into this market? Has the NCAA or any of the big conferences expressed interest in this market? I can see the professional leagues in trying to go global, but not college sports. Someone please explain this to me.
Wow. Am I the only one who thinks the WAC comm. may be retiring soon!
Changes are going on everywhere.
Here we go. Off to Mumbai!
A Hui Hou!
I need a break. All of this is out of our hands as bloggers and all the speculation and talk of a demise to UH athletics is already known and there is no use in presenting ideas and then people shutting them down.
I’m not going to sit hear and read about what UH or the WAC should do and then later read about how it will be easier to roll over and die.
I’ve enjoyed UH athletics in the football stadium and have had equal fond memories of UH victories in other sports at UH as well.
I’m going to be honest and say that UH football has shot itself in the damn foot from bad past administrative decisions to odd coaching decisions as of late. At the same time I am seeing other UH programs excel in their sport and win titles (mens and womens volleyball, softball, baseball, etc…). Now we face the reality of it all come crashing down because it’s all about the money.
EVERYDAY AT WORK I look at the haves and the have nots trying to make it, but at work certain policies are geared towards the “haves” to further their finances. Here, in the world of college athletics, I see the same thing, the same damn thing.
It’s pathetic to any decent human being that has a leveled head on their shoulders.
I sick and done with this garbage.
GOODBYE!!!!!!
In the matter of the usc scandal reggie bush is laughing all the way to the bank.
There are 300M people that live in the USA. What is happening to the conference
expansion is, Peter is taking from Paul, Paul is taking from Mary, and Mary is
taking from Peter to expand their viewership. With TV being the resource for
FAST AND BIG $, conferences are using this expansion as a tool.
ONE PROBLEM: there is still only 300M people in the US. Wonder if the TV CEO’s
will figure this out.
1. 808ike, thanks for the welcome! Sorry I don’t know how to quote in replies.
2. Garret, I think you are onto something with your Fresno leak analysis. But really, unless MWC has defectors, Fresno is not that attractive? Certainly not Boise-attractive, no? Or if MWC is working on getting a list of B-category invites and puts Fresno on the list, being dispassionate, aren’t we [travel aside] as attractive? And if travel costs are the main issue, what can we do to make that be less a concern? Although it bites me to think about kissing up to BYU and crew.
Anybody else wish this conference shuffling stuff would be over already? I am not liking the suspense. 🙁
3. Answering the earlier question about insuring — yes, you might be surprised at what you can insure. The hands of a ring model. Coverage for a halftime “shoot from halfcourt” contest. It seems to be mostly a question of working with the underwriter (someone like Lloyd’s) far enough in advance so it can feel comfortable developing a premium it is willing to accept. Smart of Jim Donovan to think of something like this. But my big question is — what do state rules and regs have to say about paying the insurance premium? Or is this something to approach Koa Anuenue about?
Football Bowl Subdivision means Division 1-A, the subdivision that has bowl games. Football Championship Subdivision means Division 1-AA, the subdivision that has a playoff.
808ike: but not all 300M watch TV. You offer something good to watch (ie. mega pac-10) much more of the 300M will watch.
Right, guys!!
Unless UHAD can find an unlimited source of renewalble $$$ or if the State and public step up, the never ending “drain” of funds will only cause the programs to shut down. Do it now or later? Which is best?
I personally do not have the funds to make a significant contribution of $$ to UHAD. Anyone will to step up?
Wow anyone else feel sad?
Why oh why do these kind of things happen when the football program is down??
Why couldn’t this happen in 06- 07? UH might be a bcs school then 🙁
I miss June Jones.
greenthumb,
The BCS AQ spot is the #1 priority for the MWC. Fresno State’s computer rankings in 2008 and 2009 actually would allow them to *improve* the MWC’s average computer ranking, which is the last criteria that the MWC needs to improve to get automatic AQ status. UH’s 2008 and 2009 seasons are far below the MWC average.
Houston also would improve the MWC’s average computer ranking. To put it another way, Fresno State and Houston would give the MWC some BCS points and UH would subtract BCS points from the MWC.
UH’s 2006 and 2007 years would have given a LOT of BCS points to any conference. Unfortunately, the first year for this BCS evaluation period is 2008. Bad, bad timing…
It is too bad most individuals in the governing body of Hawaii, don’t care about
sports. In the next election, it should be a prerequisite to love UH sports or
can’t run for office. BCS schools don’t have this problem.
Thanks BleedGreen! Been following the conference realignment and it does appear to me that UH has little option but to remain in the WAC. With poor WAC leadership and little revenue to bring it clout, who can blame schools for leaving. It is unfortunate as w/o good competition, it will hurt recruiting which will lead to less competitive teams (esp. football), less attendance…and ultimately the demise of UH sports as we know it.
Seems like we are all writing the obits already. Maybe premature, but our mamas didn’t raise fools. Least my mama didn’t.
I do believe JD has a gd head and if anyone can work for UH’s benefit, he can. But, like KAZZ said, UHs fate is not in our hands. It’s not even totally in UHs hands either. The Tsai-kos are a fabulously strong, committed group, and I’m sure has JDs back too. I suspect he is doing everything in his power to ensure the continued success of UH athletics. (lot of praying too…which is what I’m doing right now!)
The Big 10 Network showed that there was an audience for all Big 10 football games–before they weren’t all on TV. All basketball games also drew big ratings. They even get viewership for soccer, volleyball, softball, etc., all around the country. That gives them a *lot* of TV time to show ads.
So, the Big 10 created something that was never on TV before. They show games in all sports that would not have been on TV before. And they have schools that are popular enough that they get people to watch across the country. *That* is what brings in money that didn’t exist before.
The Pac-16 will have their own TV network. They will be able to go into Hawaii homes to recruit and tell the parents that they will be able to see ALL of the games their kids play (football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, soccer, etc.) in *HD*. Even UH doesn’t have that type of coverage in Hawaii. I have to pay for streaming of football games and it is almost impossible to see the nonrevenue sports play…and now the Pac-16 will have all those games in HD all over the country!
The key for the Pac-16 is that they needed teams with a large enough fan base spread across the country that they would watch all the different sports they can show on their network. Schools from big states with huge fan bases are important to make the TV ratings big enough to make a profit. The mtn actually loses money even though the MWC teams have had great success…not enough people in their fan bases. The fact that the mtn loses money shows that there is a limit to conferences starting their own networks.
I still cannot believe that C-USA gets 3x the TV money than the WAC gets. They also have a lot more NCAA basketball money because their teams (especially Memphis) have won a lot of games in the tournament. When did the C-USA pass the WAC for revenue?
A-House,
Agree. LEGISLATIVE body needs to commit to UH or shut it down. Hope they have the
vision to see the future if they don’t commit to UH.
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I can just see all the upper campus guys who don’t think that there should be any sports rubbing their hands in anticipation of all the money that will go back to upper campus if sports disappear from UH
Further USC News: USC compliance and Lawyers are looking for “ONE” year probation and 15 scholarships to be taken as their argument is the “lack of institutional control” is not warrant of the severe penalties that the NCAA has handed down as the violations was committed by only 3 athletes Bush, Mayo and the Tennis women’s player whose name has not been disclosed.
Kiffen being interviewd by LA reporters denied that he knew nothing to the infractions of Reggie Bush as he was the offensive coordinator at the time as the MAIN question that is circling USC Football is that “High Profile Players Demand High Profile Compliance” as why weren’t these players monitor to make sure no wrong doings were going on as Bush violations all took part in San Diego away from USC probing eyes.
Mike Garret is taking the wrong approach as his defiantness and arroganec has many local LA reporters disturb as the statement of “They wish they were Trojans and they are all envy as we will appeal the penalties” is not the responsible actions to be taken in which his watch of all these infractions has his leadership and job status as AD in serious jeorpardy !
Trojan Land wheels is coming apart at the seams !
Garret,
Interesting question. This is what the WAC presidents and ADs should be asking the commish. Seems like he WAC leadership needs some movers and shakers now…or is it already too late?
Garret, thanks for the explanation of the numbers game (relative computer rankings). Now I understand why you guys were so focused on making the point that the current evaluation period starts with the 2008 season. I had not realized that Fresno’s numbers there were substantially better than ours. If the 2007 regular season was a “perfect storm” of one sort, the current situation certainly is a “perfect storm” of another.
Again, where has Benson been in all this? We don’t need pretty, adjective-laden press releases.
Garret,
Think C-USA had 10x the viewership than the WAC but made only 3x the $ because
teams were not very good except Memphis BB.
PuaMohala:
In my estimate, it is too late for the WAC Presidents/Commissioner to do anything positive about conference realingments.
A plans hould have been in place 3-5 years ago!
In the Army, lose this battle, lose this war!!!
Without UH football what are the sportswriters at the Star Advertiser going to cover? Scary times for all.
Pomai,
there will be no extra monies going back to upper campus if we lose football.. there will be less visibility for the University..as a result, less students paying non-resident tuition…less fanfare, possibly less consideration for all kinds of grants, and investments. There will be less return on the matching funds to upgrade the athletic facilities, too. The Stadium will be lost… and the rest of the sports will cost more to run.
Worst..we could actually end up finding out just how much impact watching Hawaii football on TV has on our tourism industry.
Pomai,
Agree. Also student enrollment will drop 25% to 35%.
A-House,
I hear you. So, all we can do is watch our beloved UH sports go down the *ahem* toilet? Is there any possible hope or is it indeed “dire” as our master ST says?
Pomai,
At the end, legislative body will have to step in or shut it down.
So our legislators have a choice: NOW OR LATER!!!
Pac-10 rules that USC players cannot transfer inside the conference
That is without sitting out for one year. They may transfer out of conference and play right away.
ike the sad thing is that all the tea in china won’t help UH right now….
Tsaikos and Tsaikettes,
I need your help! In 2008, our legislators walked through the Athletic DEPT.
They said that funds will be appropriated for improvements of the Athletic DEPT.
What have they done and were are the funds?
MAYBE IT IS TIME FOR ALL HAWAII COLLEGE TO LOOK INTO THE ASIAN MARKET AN START A NEW ATHLETIC CONFERENCE BE THE FRIST AND ONLY SCHOOL IN THE UNITED STATE THAT
WILL PLAY ALL ASIAN TEAMS. BE GOOD FOR HAWAII COLLEGE WE WILL BE WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME START WITH./JAPAN /CHINA / KOREA /.THEN CAN ADD TEAMS LATER YOU KNOW
THEY WILL BE COMPETITIVE IN MEN/ WOMEN /VOLLEYBALL /BASEBALL /SOFTBALL /TENNIS
GOLF / BASKETBALL / SOCCER / TRACK & FIELD / MAYBE NOT IN FOOTBALL BUT WE CAN MAKE RULES CHANGES SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE THIS WILL BE HAWAII ASIAN CONFERENCE SO YOU CAN DO WHAT EVERY YOU WANT NO NEED FOLLOW ANY OF NCAA RULES
I need a “STAR TREK” computer.
Forgive me for asking this question if it has been asked before. How does BSU forfeit its bowl money and when would that start?
I wonder how motivated BSU football players are in winning the BCS championship if BSU is forced to forfeit the money it receives from the BCS?
I was thinking like skycap. Maybe it is time for a huge change.
Let’s not throw in the towel, let’s not close the book before it’s finished. Let’s not forget, the WAC has gone though this before. No matter how bad the leadership may be, it’s not over till the fat lady sings per say. There is always light at the end of the tunnel. I truly believe Hawaii will come out of this setback. If there’s a will, there’s a way.
After all, we are…
…WAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRIORS!
Coach Mac, can you see if USC has any O-linemen that would be interested in playing in paradise?
bb,
I too am VERY glad that I went to the Sugar Bowl…while I never want it to be a “once in a lifetime experience” to watch MY TEAM play in it…the writing on the walls seem as though we are heading in that direction via the conference situation.
Adding 2-4 Div 1AA schools most likely means we don’t go to a BCS even if we wipe the floor for a few years straight…:(
I agree with a radio caller when he asked Benson to publicly make a call out to get the leftovers of the Big 12 or other leftover teams etc…Even if its futile and almost impossible make SOME EFFORT and show you care just a little bit for goodness sake!
What has Karl Benson done for UH? Nothing but screw us. This could be the end of Division I football for Hawaii. But, what about other sports? The Wahine Volleyball and Softball look to be stronger than ever. What will happen to them. Whatever Benson does, I hope he doesn’t bring in D-II teams. That would be the killer. How does a team leaving the WAC, give the WAC national credibility? I think it does the opposite. It just says the WAC is too weak and no one wants a part of it. Because of the travel costs, Hawaii is a great disadvantage. With the re-organizations of the conferences, Hawaii will be left out and the athletes from Hawaii will go to the mainland. Sports other than football will suffer! What good is it for Hawaii. Mainland schools are loving it, because they won’t have to compete with Hawaii for it’s top athletes. There are two things that can help, but I doubt that it will happen. One, that NCAA can help to defray the cost to come to Hawaii. What school would not want to come to Hawaii to play, if you can play almost for free? What conference would not want you? The other is to have the legislatures work on somekind of anti-trust suit against the NCAA for allowing this action which greatly impacts Hawaii. Many people still don’t think that Hawaii is part of the U.S. I doubt if any of these would happen.
i wonder what would be the cost to “BUY” several flights or time-share like thing with an airline for 5 years at a time?…
if we had to subsidize flights from lets say Oakland (not LA or SFO which would probably be more expensive) to honolulu how would we negotiate a chunk of flights over a few years?
Couldn’t one airline add those flights in what would be a “seasonal flight” during football season to accommodate us and since we pay upfront and in a larger quantity get a cut throat rate?
Hawaiian Airlines? 🙂
I guess that would still be very very expensive and something we couldn’t afford.
hey carl maybe we could all join the ILH
wishful thinking but hawaii should beg the pac 10
give um discount airfare from hawaiian air
Last time I checked we cannot move Hawaii closer to the continent…so with that being said.
What do you think it will cost to get us into a different conference? Dollar amount? There has to be a price and I am just curious as to what that price may be.
Geographically, Hawaii moves closer to Japan each year by an 1″ or so. Fact!!!
Here today, gone to Maui!
Moooooeee…
A-House,
That is true. So in and around year 208428208802384208 we can tap the Asian market. haha
Hmm, Donovan also cancelled appearance on Sports Animals today
THEIR IS OTHER AIRLINES ON THE MAINLAND THAT CAN COME OVER HERE LIKE
**SOUTHWEST AIRLINES**OR**JETBLUE AIRLINES**IT NOT GOING TO COST ANYTHING
TO ASK FOR A CUT RATE. BEFORE **ALOHA AIRLINES** WENT OUT OF SERVICE
THEY WERE ONE OF UNIVERSITY MAJOR SPONSORS . UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII IS AFRAID
TO ASK OTHER AIRLINES BECAUSE **HAWAIIAN AIRLINES** IS ONE OF IT’S MAJOR SPONSORS. I’AM SURE IF UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII WAS TO GIVE IT TO ANOTHER AIRLINES
** HAWAIIAN AIRLINES ** WILL NOT SPONSOR THEIR TOURNAMENT
BleedGreen808,
The WAC changed the rules for BCS bowls last year, reducing the payment to the WAC team that makes a BCS bowl from the $4.5 million UH got to $3 million (before travel expenses). However, BSU gets to keep all of its $3 million even if they leave the WAC!
So, the new rule that the WAC Presidents (including UH!) adopted will let BSU keep *all* of its BCS money even if they leave the WAC. The WAC Presidents and Karl Benson apparently forgot to include a clause that made teams take a smaller payment if they left the conference. Or maybe the WAC schools were planning to leave the WAC so they wanted to be able to keep their BCS money?
skycap: Just FYI, it’s usually not recommended to type in all capital letters online because that is sometimes construed as shouting.
Speaking of which, you seem to be doing the same thing, Kazz. Deep breaths, my friend, deep breaths. 🙂
g’afternoon Tsaikos!
btw, it’s Kamehameha and NOT Kam. It’s a holiday honoring Hawaii’s former King and not some chinese dude….thank you!
JASON
SORRY COMPUTER LOCK ON CAP LETTER HOW YOU FIX PROBLEM
Jason,
Today is the beginning of the death of the innocence. The DEATH of the best interests of the student athlete taking precedence over greed and dollars.
TODAY the NCAA is allowing for a violation of it’s own mission statement in serving the student athlete.
What’s more disgusting is some people accepting this as the norm.
A student athlete at UH Manoa that participates in a sport like soccer, softball, water polo, or tennis has the equal RIGHT to earn the privelege to play their sport just as much as the student athlete that participates in similar non-revenue sports in a school at some overblown and over-inflated mega conference.
I hope those money grabbers can afford to purchase air conditioning in hell.
After thinking about all that is going on I have decided to only worry about things that I can control, and that is supporting our student athlete’s be it with $$ or with my time an effort.
GO WARRIORS
Good thinking Pomai,
But I like typing too. 😈
RAINBOW BASEBALL HITTING/3RD BASE COACH KEITH KOMEJI FIRED.
Hi!
Whew, survived another one. Just eight more to go!
There are only a few universities who can afford USC football transfers, which gives them only a few options. UH is not one of them. I am not delusional enough to believe the payoffs stopped with R Bush.
Kazz . . .
Fired? Geez. Must have been serious. Too bad.
I always liked watching dominos as they tipped over. The quiet clicking sound they made as they fell.
Thinking I am not enjoying watching this set of dominos fall. The sound is not pleasant and the effort to clean up after this is over will be, i think, substantial.
Hoping for the best for UH.
Trapasso like McMackin was forced to make coaching changes to insure success on the field. Good luck to Keith Komeiji.
WAC is still viable Late night time slot is worth sometning to TV ads
If UH wins, the mainland will watch
USC has just come back to the pack. Happiest people in US are Jim Harbaugh and Slick Rick
I agree that the MWC with addition of scraps will be the most changed
Go with your instinct sir! If you smell kaka, it’s not mochi ice cream. It happens at a lot of the big schools.
That Pete Carroll video was just so cute. WE KNOW WHY YOU LEFT!!!!!!! 😆
WOW Tsaiko Nation I don’t know what to say as the realignment is happening and UH is still in the weak WAC and if there is no movement on the horizon then a once proud athletic program will have a lower level DII schedule with schools of Sacramento State, San Luis Obispo and Santa Cruz being your replacements as I for one will NEVER attend games with those teams being our competition as I will be embarresed to say the least being a former player who played against the BEST competition being an Independent School and a young entry in the WAC with BYU, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado State, Air Force and UTEP being the “TOUGH” competition as certainly time has changed !
The only answer to this point is Benson got to get some schools to merge BUT trying to get the lesser teir MWC schools I don’t see them leaving with Boise State coming and giving them even LARGER exposure as San Diego State and UNLV are staying put as Hawaii is on the outside looking in with San Jose State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Utah State, Nevada, La Tech and Fresno State are staying or just waiting for an opportunity to “adios” the WAC !
This re-alignment is crazy and has hit every conference whose teams are vacating the premises with desperate measures of saving their athletic department !
Jim has got to be “pro active” but the way you folks talk about Commissioner Benson it does not look good for UH to stand and wait around thinking he will fill the void of quality teams coming in to salvage the WAC !
Well good folks you have until this year until MAJOR teams make their move in 2011 as hopefully the WAC has survided with quality teams added on OR UH has moved on to greener and better pasteurs as “ONLY” time will tell !
IN SH forum, they say that there is talk on an FCS board somewhere that Portland State, Montana, and Montana State could be in the WAC within a few weeks and La Tech is expected to leave. But that still means DII schedule…
Three of the top players to play during the June Jones’ era at UH were Pisa Tinoisamoa, Colt Brennan and Davonne Bess. All three had challenges prior to coming to UH and they really turned things around when they got here and they all ended up in the NFL. What then about Jeremiah Massoli? He certainly has big-time talent and he certainly has his challenges. Coming back to play in Hawaii may be what he needs to get his life back in order and we could certainly use him in the mix at QB.
Masoli has had more than his fair share of chances, I’m afraid. In high school he had to transfer to Hawaii because he got trouble.. then similar trouble got him suspended for the entire 2010 season at Oregon.. and while still on probation he gets caught with not only marijuana, but driving with a “suspended” license? Makes you wonder how that got suspended, too!… so there’s just too much gray areas surrounding his character.. I don’t see him as Warrior material.
If we have a schollie left, I’d rather see it go elsewhere… not on someone with only one year to play one year.
USC lost is another Teams gain as OUTSTANDING seniors to be from the men of Troy are senior running back CJ Gable, quaterback Mitch Mustain and wide receiver David Ausberry names has come of light to possibly transfering out of the conference and playing right away at possible Big Major Schools as other names are to follow as the Dominoe effect keeps on coming and USC has no spinner or big six to stop the Dominoes from falling !
Ever since I started posting on this blog in the late summer of 2007, I provided information about the amount of public funds for both Athletic Complex & Aloha Stadium upgrades. By the end of this fiscal year, a lotal of $45 million will have been appropriated; by the end of the next fiscal year, nearly $60 million will have been.
Given the general budgetary deficits faced by the state starting about the time that UH went to the Sugar Bowl, this far outshines what most schools have received from their state governments.
As Garret has said over & over, the failure to develop strong alumni support base over the past 50 years is what has made the difference between UH and schools such as Texas or Washington or Ohio State.
Believe me on this one – the academic side of a public university thrives when its athletic programs do well. As soon as the next report is issued by the Regents’ office about the research awards, I’ll post a summary here along with a comparison from a decade ago adjusted for inflation.
The State Legislature supports the University of Hawai`i system. They also get the connection between the success of UH and the visitor industry figures as well.
FYI: The average age of State House members is just under 40 and the State Senate is just over 45. I doubt if the blog regulars who post here with the exception of Kazz & Jason are significantly younger than most legislators.
CHANGE OF SUBJECT: Although I am able to number the posts using the VIEW button, the numbers to do stay when I click the Submit Comment or leave the blog altogether. Is there something I can do to fix this?
Good Night Tsaiko Nation as hopefully things will get better for Hawaii football and all of UH athletics with you good folks cheering loud and clear with your passion and dedication to your beloved Hawaii Warriors and Wahines !
Pleasant Dreams !
RainbowCliff, I didn’t realize CJ Gable had another year left. He would bring value to many teams.
I hope I am doing this right, if my name is blue, it is a link to a what-if story from the Tucson Citizen about current USC players who could transfer out of the PAC-whatever and not sit a year.
+1
When successful Universities send out a representative to talk to potential donors, I bet they often send out former athletes who have made a name for themselves.
boise is foolish. their greed will bite them in their blue smurf butts. the grass isn’t always greener (or uglier bluer for them) on the other side.
they will never go undefeated again. byu, utah, tcu will have says in that.
the bcs will never allow the mwc to get into their lucrative pot of gold. the mwc wasn’t included all these years into the guaranteed bcs money for a reason. and now that all these big schools are jumping ship and leaving the unwanteds behind, i can’t wait to see how the bcs re-writes their rules to only include these major super conferences.
us on the other hand, we’re kinda screwed. i don’t think mr boise blue benson has a good plan of saving the wac or refilling it.
and is usc saying they’re chicken? they’d better not cancel out on this game. they already look foolish with the bush/mayo fiasco.
Aloha and good evening everyone, first time blogger.
Want to thank Mr Tsai for bringing this vehicle of information to those that care for Hawaii in general and the University of Hawaii in particular.
I think I know a couple people on the blog but thats not what I want to say ill get into that later after u guys blog my to ……
Look… all that is needed is for Hawaii to dominated the conference for a consistent period of time and it will work its self it out.
Like some say nuff said..gotta go eat Roman Chicken. Check out the recipe on foodtv.com
U people are tru fans and great people. Right DPK. PC
Ok fine, if Montana State or Portland State are invited into the WAC, what is the process by which they can achieve D1 status?
chawan_cut,
The number crunchers said that BSU going to the MWC would get them about $3 million per year more than they got in the WAC.
If BSU goes undefeated EVERY YEAR, they would get $3 million *before* expenses. That means they would make a profit of $1 million or less…taking in $2 million less than if they had a bad year in the MWC.
BSU may have poor academics, but they can see that $2 million more guaranteed is a big number. They also remember that they went undefeated twice and did *not* make a BCS bowl game because the MWC got more respect and got in instead. They know they cannot go undefeated forever, and if they stay in the WAC that would cost them a lot of money and respect…in the MWC they are guaranteed to make more money *and* if they go to a BCS bowl the MWC won’t take all the money away like the WAC does now.
The WAC adopted the rule that basically takes all the money away from the WAC team that goes to a BCS bowl except for the $3 million that is mainly used for expenses. That basically told BSU that if they make it to a BCS bowl the rest of the conference will take their money and just give them money for their expenses. The fact is that UH could *lose* money if they go to a BCS bowl since travel expenses are higher for UH.
So, BSU makes $2 million more by sucking in the MWC than they do by going undefeated in the WAC and making a BCS bowl. If they make a BCS bowl in the MWC, they get to keep a bigger share of the BCS money than the WAC allows. If the MWC gets an AQ spot and/or a bigger TV contract in the future, those are big bonuses…but without either, they still come out way ahead.
There is a reason why Fresno State, Nevada, and UH would join the MWC the second they asked.
chawan_cut,
USC isn’t scared of UH. Their NCAA violations require them to *cancel* a game they have scheduled in 2010 because the Hawaii exception doesn’t apply to them while they are under probation.
Kazz,
Any D-IAA (FCS) team can apply to move up to D-IA (FBS). Trouble is there is a moratorium now and a process they have to go through to get to full D-IA status. So, they could join the WAC in 2011, but wins over them would count as wins over a D-IAA team even though they would be a full member of the WAC.
UH already plays a D-IAA team every year, so wins over conference members would not count. If that rumor is true and the WAC has 3 D-IAA teams moving up plus UH plays a D-IAA nonconference game, UH could go 8-5 and *not* be bowl eligible! 3 of the wins wouldn’t count, so UH would have just 5 wins…and I don’t think that 5 wins are enough to become bowl eligible.
Apparently Kansas has beaten out Utah for the final Pac-16 spot if Texas A&M chooses to go to the SEC.
The Pac-10 commissioner is going to fly to Texas and Oklahoma to personally deliver the invitations to Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.
Sportsbow reported on SH that UH offered 4-star JC RB Aaron Harris a scholarship. SDSU offered him before UH, but hopefully he wants to see a new area. The JC in Chula Vista is not that far away from SDSU.
Yup end of UH athletics as we know it. We can work behind the scenes all we want but if Football doesn’t win then all the behind the scenes work won’t matter. I hope football does well, but as they say hope is not a plan. I predict a losing record next season and an uncertain future for football at the University. The state doesn’t have the political will sad to say.
I would prefer for the Pac-16 to take Utah instead of Kansas, since that would help weaken the MWC and open spots for WAC teams to join the MWC or a MWC/WAC merger. However, Kansas does have a good basketball team and they were good in football recently.
I wonder if JJ would like to be the new WAC comish? Hey what the heck with all that is going on nothing wrong with dreaming????
The other bad thing is that Kansas leaving the Big 12 makes it less likely that the Big 12 could grab a bunch of MWC teams…if the MWC was raided, the leftovers (UNLV, SDSU, etc.) would have to join with the WAC.
Pomai,
JJ is quite busy building the SMU program. He just did 7 camps all around the state of Texas (going to the big cities and to East Texas and West Texas). They already have 8 commits, beating out Big 12, SEC, MWC and ACC schools for some of the recruits.
Now that JJ actually has a recruiting budget, he appears to be a very different type of recruiter. He even did home visits in several states (Louisiana and Oklahoma, plus all over Texas, if I remember Reinebold’s facebook news correctly).
Hawaii better make it to the Sheraton Bowl this season or it might be good bye Sheraton Bowl with more DII teams joining the WAC…
Lost in the shuffle of the Big Money Grab of 2010 is the student athlete. The Big 10 schools made 22Mil each this year. Their projections of expansion in the right markets could double their take.
If I were a student athlete at any of the schools that end up in super conferences I’d petition the NCAA that 20% of any TV contract money from any sport be put into a fund that will distributed to ALL the student athletes of that school as a “stipend”.
I predict one future outcome of conference realignment will be stipends to the people that are producing the revenue…the student athlete.
Garret I know JJ is set at SMU, but you have to admit he would be a good person to be the new comish. Then again I’d rather have him back as the head coach, oh well I’ll stop my far fetched ramblings.
JJ as Commish? Nah, he still needs to sell the RnS to the rest of the world.. but maybe one of JJ’s NFL connections would do us some good.
Welcome to the blog, ballpicker. I don’t know who’s you, but what you say makes sense! 😉
The bottome line is: just win baby!
With that being said, on the news tonight, our AD spoke his mind about all the fears and speculation which have been spawned by all the conference re-alignments/defections. And I must say, at this point, I’m with Jim.
He asks us to remember this years successes in volleyball, baseball, softball and Amber Kaufman’s Gold medal in track and field. Those teams and their accomplishments tell the real story here; UH is and will remain a contender in the uppermost echelons of collegiate athletics. And while being in the middle of the ocean presents its challenges, JD reminds us taht it isnt a game breaker. This spring summer, UH’s teams and individuals have performed mightily in venues thousands of miles away, and have acquitted themeselves admirably in the process.
I can understand the misgivings shared here today about UH’s future, especially in football.
But as far I’m concerned, I’m with Jim.
UH’s best years lie ahead of us, and I look forward to enjoying them with the great fans found here on the WB.
PS – Let’s not forget about the promise of UH men’s and womens basketball. Stay tuned!
DPK,
It’s important that UH officials and local legislators REMEMBER and RECOGNIZE the successes of programs at UH like Wahine volleyball and softball, baseball, and women’s track and field had on a national level.
Granted, no kala is made, but what a waste of talent to provide national notarity for UH in many avenues of collegiate athletes and that UH can be more than a one trick DONKEY errr… Pony… Bronco.. Whatever.. 😆
Coach Gib Arnold does show promise of restoring a basketball program that has three WAC Tournament Championships.
As for football, this season will tell what kind of direction the current staff will bring this program. Mr. Donovan has more at stake now with that regard.
If USC is forced to pull out of the game on September 2, I wonder if ESPN will try get another BCS school to come. Since the game is on a Thursday, a team coming over will have enough recovery time provided they have a bye that weekend. Obviously, they wouldn’t schedule to come if they had a game on September 4.
The attraction in coming to Hawaii is National TV exposure on ESPN. I wonder how many BCS schools have byes that weekend?
Garret,
I do believe that the better opportunity for UH is in the MWC, BUT reality is reality.
Even if there is a WAC/MWC merger in this scenario, we’ll be left out. They will cite travel again and again and again. That’s not me being pessimistic, that’s me citing history and current trends.
This would be the most likely scenario and probably the most favorable considering the reality of our situation at UH. At least these teams field the same sports UH participates in and are of FBS status.
Kazz-
You are correct. We need leadership which has the will to recognize UH’s amny accomplishments.
many*
Right ON DPK.
If the Big 12 was able to raid the MWC, SDSU, UNLV, Air Force (or Colorado State), and Wyoming would be probably be left behind. They would be good additions to the WAC…far better than D-IAA programs.
So, in this mess I guess we have to cheer for the Big 12 to win over the MWC. It sure would help if Utah instead of Kansas went to the Pac-10. Or if Texas A&M goes to the Pac-10, then the Big 12 would have 5 teams and it is possible they could win the showdown with the MWC.
It is strange to have some other conference have so much power over UH’s fate!
The WAC would end up looking something like this:
UH
UNLV
SDSU
Air Force
Wyoming
Colorado State
Nevada
Fresno State
SJSU
Utah State
Idaho
NMSU
That would be a 12-team WAC that would get fan support and UH could do well in that conference.
Anyway, that is the best case scenario I can come up with. The nice thing is that all it requires is for the Big 12 to raid the MWC, which could happen. Who would have thought a year ago that we would have to worry about whether or not the Big 12 would be stronger than the MWC?
Free play link time. Please ignore my next 5 posts if you do not want to read the off-topic stuff. I’ll try the free play links once to see if the HSA minds…
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A high school student in Oregon who will be attending Harvard in the fall explained why he chose Harvard instead of Yale despite being named *Yale Fan*. He was not name for the university, Yale is just “phonetically similar” to his Chinese name.
Armed thieves in Indianapolis broke into a man’s apartment and stole a man’s flat-screen TV…and they forced him to help them move it down a flight of stairs!
Apple has applied for a patent for a *solar-powered iPhone*. This would solve the battery life problem for smartphones and force everyone else to scramble to catch up with them!
Wow just a minute the chicken stew or Roman Stew was ono.
I was up on campus in the alice knapp era. Ms ninia?
If no connection no biggie still love the conversations that u all have and I will drop in more since I figured out how to reply. pc
Microscopic polymer fibers are being developed to help rebuild human tissue and speed the healing process–the hope is that in 10 years a tendon, spinal cord or heart valve will be able to regenerate itself after an injury or disease.
Free play links pau.
IF and only if UH is left without a conference, the WAC may cease to exist if Fresno, Nevada, and LaTech bolt for other conferences, what then?
Since football is the $$$ train, no $$$ means no other sports; no matter how good VB or SB or Track or swimming/Diving or Sailing or Tennis or Golf are on the national level.
I just hope that Jim D has a “backup plan” to address this issue.
And Benson’s plan to “add” DII schools is a fart in the wind and will not make the WAC a conference to reckon with. UH could go undefeated for the next 3 or 4 years and still NOT be invited to a BCS bowl game! Also, if the BCS changes theie bowl eligibility, it would make it even more difficult to get an invite!
Some have mentioned adding SDSU and UNLV to the WAC, but are they not in $$$ trobule? and, moving to the WAC means less $$$.
I stand by my position that some one has to make a decision if UH will keep football or not. I don’t like it, but reality is————. Who, within the UH community, has discussed, privately, dropping or keeping football with the Gov, Mayors, Legislature as a contigency plan? And, its many ramifications to UH athletics?
JD on Kekaula’s sports report tonight:
“We’re geographically isolated, that’s not gonna change. But that doesn’t mean we have to have an attitude of doom and gloom.
The baseball team lost in the championship round of the regionals.
Amber Kauffman just took the national title in the high jump.
I think that everybody has to remember the lesson that our softball team taught us at Alabama. It was two outs in the bottom of the seventh inning and we were down by a run, and we beat the number one seed in softball and went to the College World series.
We’ll face these challenges head on and we’ll make the best of it, but the University of Hawaii is gonna stay Division 1 in college athletics and we’re gonna thrive!”
He went on to say that while losing Boise is a big blow to WAC football, we need to look for the teams who are left after this “musical chairs” of conference re-alignment is over.
Good stuff, spoken by a guy who is one of the reasons why we have much to look forward to in UH athletics! I’m with Jim!
Believe Gangeez, believe! If our teams can, so can we! 🙂
sorry – theie = their
I got ya now, ballpicker! Howzit brah! Great to see you here. 🙂 🙂 🙂
You were the one who came to mind when I saw those intials!
You gotta come out to one of the Tsaiko get togethers, I guarantee you’re gonna love these folks!
Keep posting brother! 😉
BTW, how did you know I was DPK? Did KA tell you?
I can get behind this! 😎
Garret and Kazz –
I can too!
I think that’s what JD was alluding to in his remarks on KITV.
Too bad Apple’s iPhone is on an inferior network to that of Verizon and or Sprint.
I have VZW, and while a bit pricey, the coverage is FANTASTIC. Looking forward to October where I will be able to upgrade and explore the AnDROID market. The Motorola Droid 2 just came out, the Droid X from Motorola also will be released and the HTC “Incredible” also on the Android system is running and doing well.
In the end, consumers will want a better network, better phones with a good OS and will not really feel to bad about dealing with the short battery life.
BTW, anyone with Sprint, I suggest you explore the HTC EVO. It’s a serious alternative/option to the iPhone. My brother previously had AT&T and the iPhone, but switched to Sprint.
HTC is really stepping it up in the world of SmartPhones.
No nobody said a word. And yes I look forward to being a more consistent blogger. K den. I got lots to say but time is short tonight. Take care all. pc
DPK,
There is always the hope and always the expectation that people that are actually involved with the situations we, as fan, boosters, bloggers, speculate on do have the inside info and have a much better picture of what will happen.
Again, that is the hope and the expectation.
If Garret is correct about what the WAC could potentially end up looking like, I WILL BUY HIM A STEAK DINNER AT RUTH CHRIS’ STEAK HOUSE THE NEXT TIME HE IS IN HAWAII!!!
OMG,
I just realize what time it is and I haven’t eaten since 10 this morning….
I’ve been moping around all day!!!!!!
Must be those Skittles and energy drinks.
Eight more wake ups.
Nytal!
A-house, i hope UH doesn’t lose the football program. I don’t even want to think of it because a lot of local boys will not get a college education. men’s basketball will have to win to break even or make some money. i think women’s volleyball will survive as they also make money. the baseball team used to make money or break even has to get the fans back in the stands. the men’s volleyball team could probably make some money too but, the NCAA may revoke men’s volleyball altogether anyway. softball would definitely have to charge an admission. UH soccer and other sports like golf, track, water polo, cheerleading, women’s basketball, etc. will probably go out the window unless they get themselves some major sponsors. too sad so i hope this doesn’t happen.
No UH football no need to maintain Aloha Stadium. Without the stadium we will never see the Pro Bowl again.
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
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~Michael Scott
Regional Manager
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Just initiated d1 and the missus to Tiffany’s
*burp*
You and whitey most certainly did! 😀
Pleeny Mahalo! That was GREAT!
Anyone know coach Dana’s email?
Neva mind, went to the UH website……….
OK, do any of you know if our former pro football players donate money to the program?
i can’t say i pay a heck of a lot of attention so maybe i missed some public announcements like this…but honestly i have not heard of colt or jason elam etc making a donation (maybe they privately)…
for instance Ndamukong Suh donated $2.6 Million to Nebraska. Now I know our players aren’t the “star” rookies that come out of the bigger conferences and make those multi-multi-million dollar contracts but have they been financially supportive of a school and community that supported them? http://www.huskerextra.com/articles/2010/04/19/football/doc4bc9fbbbb8846588024648.txt
My instinct is that these players are giving, but just not getting recognition for it. Maybe UH should make it a point to show that they are being supported by the athletes that were given the opportunity here in Hawaii. It’s good publicity for the school IMO.
Slipping in da side door to da Tsaiko playhouse. On da light, check da ice box, shoots oni get one Primo leff!
All dis talk about jumping from one conference to da MWC yadda-yadda making me sleepy. Maybe wen I open my maka in da day light goin’ be bettah…NOT!
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USC likely will lose its 2004 BCS championship, but its Associated Press title appears safe.
“The 2004 poll stands,” AP sports editor Terry Taylor confirmed in an e-mail Friday to the Los Angeles Times. “The poll is intended to measure on-field performance. If teams are allowed to play, they’re allowed to be ranked and USC certainly played in 2004.”
AP voted USC No. 1 after the 2003 and 2004 seasons. Taylor said naming a different champ would be too difficult.
“It would be impractical to,” she said, according to the Times. “It’s been six years. Memories have faded and the poll board from that year is no longer intact.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5277555
There is a big difference between the money Texas makes and the money the top Pac-10 schools make. This is one reason every conference wants Texas.
Kazz,
You and I, as well as UH fans everywhere, would like that WAC+MWC conference. Now that so many dominoes are fallen, it boils down to the Big 12 vs. the MWC. If the Big 12 raids the MWC, UH would likely end up with a MUCH better conference. UH sports would be set for a long time and the next TV contract would go up in value. If UH dominates that new conference, it would be a target for the next round of expansion.
If the MWC holds strong, they would get AQ status and the WAC will have to add a whole pack of D-IAA teams. That is the worst case imaginable–the Pac-16 would be stronger and have every game in every sport available to be watched throughout the country and the MWC would be an AQ conference that competes for the same recruits that UH wants.
UH fans have a rooting interest in expansion now: Big 12 over MWC. It sounds like JD and the WAC have contacted the MWC teams that might get left behind, which is probably all they can do now. Either the Big 12 or the MWC will be an AQ conference when the dust settles…
Losing the USC would cost UH a *lot* of money! This is from ST’s article today:
That should read “Losing the USC game…”
Is Nevada going to openly lobby for the MWC like BSU did?
The MWC has already contacted Kansas and Missouri to make their conference have 12 teams…that would kill the Big 12 and make the MWC an AQ conference.
Good Morning Tsaiko Nation, just catching up on all the post’s and reading the possible entrance of Portland State and Montana State is very sad as they are DII at best with NO recognition of beating any body BIG in football as if my memory is correct they were once recognize in the Big Sky Conference IF that conference still exist !
Yes, you did well in softball and the basebows won the WAC Tournament and Jennifer is an NCAA High Jump Champion BUT football is your bread and butter and with out playing high caliber teams from a good athletic conference you won’t see fan support, tv coverage, rivalries or mega bucks coming the aloha way and your other sports will suffer existance with out football leading Hawaii athletics !
I like what Garret’s propose WAC to look like IF the BIG 12 to win over the MWC BUT that is hoping for another conference to seal our fate and from personal experience when you “snooze you lose” as waiting to see what happens just leaves you being thrown the scraps that is left over after every one has finish eating.
Beautiful Saturday morning to ALL as I hope you good folks have a GREAT day !
World Cup is ON and BIG game with Lakers and Boston tomorrow as we here in LA are in full anticipation with our gear and car flags traveling the roads and streets.
USC News is quiet for now as I hope the game with you folks is still ON but the probation has hit and the appeal is in process as when news comes I will get it as fast to you “GOOD OR BAD” !
This is what I hope the WAC does-
Increase the total number of schools to 12; and have two divisions
Having 12 schools is the number you need to have a playoff and one additional game at the end of the season
The WAC needs to follow what the other leagues are doing, namely going in the direction of having a playoff game at the end of the season.
Teams fighting it out for the top spots in their division and vying for a playoff spots generates a lot of fan interest. Puts more spectators in the stands, and viewers in front of television sets. Even ESPN might pick up this game, which would give the league national exposure.
The WAC has to appeal to the NCAA that during the rebuilding of the league with FCS schools that they be allowed an exemption to the rules,where games between the FBS schools in the WAC and the new members (FCS schools) do count for bowl eligibility.
I’ve read where the Hawaii exemption (the 13th game) will become extinct because of the mega conferences having their playoffs during the first week of December which deters teams from scheduling with Hawaii at the end of the season. So, then, I think what Hawaii should do is ask the NCAA for help, namely allowing them to open the football season earlier which would allow them a better chance of landing a marque opponent.
Names of schools that the WAC may be courting like Montana (averaged 24k a game); Cal Poly (9.5 k), Cal-Davis (9.5 k), Sacramento State (9.5 K).
Enrollments-
Cal Poly-20k
Cal-Davis-31K, In its first year of full Division I status, 11 UC Davis teams qualified for post season play
Sacramento State-22K
Montana-12K
The potential to rebuild (and build) is there. But it should be complemented with commitment,envisioning and master planning from the WAC and the member schools.
Accept that Boise State is gone. Hope the bleeding has clotted. And that the WAC focuses on becoming healthier again. Right now, how I see it, that’s all you can wish for.
Long time lurker, first post. I have to agree with post # 318 (Skycap). We should look to Asia to supplement income revenues. Soccer, volleyball, and volleyball are popular in Asia. We should schedule games in these sports in Japan, Korea, China, and Australia. I imagine the tv draw would be in the millions. This would also make us attractive to other conferences.
ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs,
With the new morning, did someone remember to turn off the lights?
A super-duper breautiful Saturday mrning! If it is this nice here it must be unbelievable on dj’s side of the hill!
Hoping for the MWC to be raided so the Warriors can have a shot at a move to a conference with a commissioner who is conscious and presidents who can think beyond the tips of their collective pointy heads.
Good morning Tsaikos.
Yum! Norma’s Burgers al fresco. The ‘shroom burger sounds so good right now. One of these days maybe I will be brave enough to have the John Wayne Burger. Any Tsai-ko’s wanting a great burger Norma’s is the place!!!
Good morning Whitey.
Hoping Liz and the rest of the USA contingent touched down safely and are checked in at the hotel in Mumbai.
Must have been a butt-numbing flight. I wonder I would be able to handle being in a pressurized cylinder for all that time.
Good morning everyone. Dreamt last night that there was conference realignment in
athletics. Had to slap myself and wash my face with cold water.
Wafan,
She may enjoy the fireworks every night.
Great Morning All!
Beautiful morning on Maui….
Again beeg Mahalo to whitey and duffer for hosting us at Tiffany’s last night.
That place gotta be the Tsaiko Clubhouse East!
Heading out to play tourist this morning. Going in search of fuud in Wailea…bbl
I guess everyone is waiting for the next set of shoe’s to hit the floor. LOL
aloha kakahiaka everybody, with all this talk of playing the Asia teams, who will police the teams from having professionals, hgh and doping, ages of the athletes, etc. the Olympics couldn’t police them with all their money. how could we? with all the money the Asia market could produce, i agree that we should look into it, but maybe the TV market and exhibition games.
new post up…
Papajoe ~ No problem. We put the Asian athletes thru our own Tsaiko-Tsertification. If they can pass Mrs. A-house’s scrutiny, and sign the pledge in her Book…then, it’s a lock!
Again, another round of conference grumblin’ so early in the AM. Think I’ll volunteer to walk jm2375’s dog for a change of pace. Beats worrying about the sky falling.
D-1, check out dat 50’s diner in da Kahalui shopping center. Whoo dey get all flavors of Waffles, pancakes, and real Maui Portuguese sausage. Check wit Whitey or Duffer, they might suggest their Breakfast of Champions Diner as an alternate.
Bbl…
wow, daytime. the light still on.
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ASIAN MARKET HAWAII FANS LOOKS AT UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII LIKE A PROFESSIONAL TEAM ANYWAY MAYBE THIS IS THE WAY WE HAVE TO GO. THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE IN HAWAII IS GOING TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. WILL NEVER WILL SEE ANY PROFESSIONAL
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With all this turmoil, I certainly hope that the State Legislature, Honolulu City Council, DEBT, local hotels and airlines, and Aloha Stadium can be much more proactive in offering “concessions” to make UHAD a viable and attractive venue. But, I won’t hold my breath because they have NO ONE, that I know of, within their respective organizations who possess the ability or capability to push a “pro-active” UH agenda the demise of which will have a terrible negative impact on the State’s economy!
Wishful thinking: Hawaiian or another airline willing to work with UH can offer 33%-40% discounts on airfare which can be allocated as a contribution and tax deductible and Sheraton or Outrigger or Starwood can offer the same discounts for the “official travel party” for all teams within the conference; bus company can do the same; all boosters traveling with the team can be allowed a 10-15% discount off all merchandise, meals, etc. by showing their state’s drivers license.
Aloha Stadium Authority, from their side, offer UH a “package” on parking and concession contribution.
City Council can change their “regulations/ guidelines” to allow functions at the SCC.
State Legislature can minimize the budget cuts to UH-Manoa specifically for UHAD.
Working together, much can be accomplished to keep UH athletics a viable and attractive venue.
Bottom line is teams and fans coming in will boost the hotel rates/income during many “off-peak” months and same applies to arilines – why fly 2/3 full when you can get sold out planes; fans/teams spending will contibute to State tax coffers.
AND, lastly the fans would have to make changes for football as UH moves the start time for games to 3 or 4 or 5pm to make televised games available on the mainland and visiting teams can save hotel/meals money by leaving right after a game.
All must make a sacrafice to insure that UH does continue in football and all other sports!!!
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