For the record
All men exaggerate.
OK, maybe I’m exaggerating. But many exaggerate about 40-yard-dash times, SAT scores, income, sock size, Bruno Mars concert seats, post-prom experiences, fish weight, and so forth. A million claimed to be UH fans during the vonAppen years. Twenty thousand were there when Chaminade upset Virginia.
So we shouldn’t be concerned about Richard “Dick” Parson’s actual basketball experience at UH five decades ago.
What is troubling is the incomplete archives of UH sports. It should not be surprising. After all, there were few media guides or much coverage for all UH sports decades ago, much less box scores of freshman basketball games. It’s different now, in this stat-conscious Money Ball era, where seemingly unlimited information can be stored on flash drives and clouds.
But history is important, so here’s a suggestion: UH should gather the old-timers — Jim Leahey, Don Robbs, “Ferd” Lewis, Larry Price, Eddie Inouye, etc. — put them in a room, let them tell their stories and record everything. Maybe their stories will be used; maybe not. But at least there might be information available for those seeking to learn about UH’s past.
Don’t forget the 2inch height rule
Was Parsons a “student”? surely UH has a record of that, no?
I’m not concerned whether or not Dick Parsons played for UH. it’s a positive if he said he played for UH even if he didn’t. Hell, he is a GM for an NBA team! now everybody should remember that Dick played for UH back then.
I always shake my head at the amount of folks who claim they paddled out when there was a Tsunami warning. Almost 90% of them are folks who never venture to the North Shore and still call wave size by the face. For the record when there is a Tsunami Warning, I’m high on the hills in Kaneohe
2 most inconsistent stats these days are alleged offers and 40 times… Everyone runs a 4.5 40 (BS) and everyone mistakes offers from interest.
so bruce o’neill is telling on artie’s show that mr. parsons was never on the team. bruce played during that exact time and never even knew him at all.
Karl, he be gone a few months ago.
one of the reasons for his selection was his alleged basketball background.
What?!? Karl died?
#8 al
According to Mark Cuban isn’t that a given? 🙂
Exaggeration is only an extension of the truth.
TGIF
And on this Memorial Day weekend let us remember those who made a difference in our lives.
Good neighbor!
are you over the vertigo?
I get mild episodes occasionally and I don’t like the dizziness and queezy “pomp” – if in bed, I put one leg down to touch the floor and it seems to reduce the “spinning” of the ceiling.
Delusional people can be very dangerous, ie the wahine known as JAH
I wanna know more about the Hula T
Seriously though Mr Tsai you have wonderful ideas UH or OC sports should ask you for ideas.
Who at UHAD does one send all these great ideas to?
Besides your oral history idea, the Tsaikos have marketing/promotional ideas and fund raising ideas. Seems like there should be an outreach person to sift through the ideas and communicate them to the appropriate person.
Maybe in that room old timer Stephen Tsai should be included. 🙂
Funny story: I know a guy who played basketball in high school. He averaged around 7 points a game as a senior. It’s funny how his point average has increased the older he gets – 10, 13, 15 points….. 🙂
I never knew that UH had a freshman basketball team back in the 60s. I graduated HS in 64 and UH was really small potatoes back then. High school football games ruled the day especially the turkey games at the old Honolulu Staduim. 1963 was Kamehameha vs Farrington. Bob Apisa was the all state running back for Farrington but Kamehameha had all those huge lineman.
The stadium rocked to capacity (27000) just for those turkey games played under the hot Hawaiian sun. It wasn’t always safe walking under those wooden bleachers. Things would fall between the cracks from drinks dropped by clumsy hands, peanuts, etc.
#14 I think the Hula T was a name coined by Larry Price for his version of the T formation.
I believe there were 3 running backs lined in a horizontal position behind the quarterback. …
the full back in the middle and left half back and right half back
Remember the Pineapple Crush defense?
Levi’s Kanaka Army?
Levi Stanley was a beast
From 1955 to 1972, Freshmen were not eligible to play Div. I basketball. Lew Alcindor, Bill Russell, etc. did not play as freshmen. Instead, they played on freshmen teams, which competed against each other. I would imagine that as a result of our location, the UH freshman team played very few games against Div. 1 competition. I remember as an 11 year old visiting my older brother at UH (1972), I was standing next to a really tall person (I came up to his waist). My brother told me he was 7 feet tall and on the freshman basketball team.
Doggone young man lol, I was 26 in 72.
I was a season ticket holder during the VonAppen years. I was there when Chaminade beat Virginia! But don’t worry I’m not going tell you about my sock size!!! LOL
You are correct about freshmen not allowed to play Div. 1 basketball. There were no media attention back in those days for our freshmen basketball team.
My bro. was 21 in ’72. He lived on La’au Street, had long hair and a waterbed. I thought he was the coolest person ever.
Yes water beds were some what popular back then. I guess people loved sloshing around in bed.
I also had no idea what the glass tube thingy with a stem and bowl sitting on the coffee table was for.
24/25 Then you gotta mention the other members of the local rotation: Cillf Laboy and Pat Richardson.
Old timer –two words: iron butterfly.
Wasn’t Pat Richardson from Aiea?
In A Gadda Da Vida, honey.
Not old. Classic.
Yup, best friends w Tommy Ronquillo. There was also another Aiea guy there with them at UH, Barney Hansen, but he got a back injury early into his career-captain w HFD, now.
I better change my screen name to classictime808
I am what I am
You be what you be
He is Ron Ronquillo’s brother?
I think Ron played for St Louis as a running back and played at UH
to be or not to be
You are correct.
I have to admit that iron butterfly slips my memory….chastity belt?
I’m writing this down to share because my mind not going be classic any more as time goes on.
I have to get out of here and go work on my classic golf swing.
Didn’t Ben Ronquilio play at Saint Louis and UH?
Yup, and coach at Waipahu in their hey day.
Stephen
Re #9: Mililani Carl passed away on Feb 22, 2014.
Ahhh Clyde mahalo yes it is Ben and not Ron. My memory slipped and yes it should be Ben.
Guud Afternoon Tsaikos….bootiful day…..rainy but..
Dang the names are very memorable.
I would pay to sit, have a bite to eat and listen to the stories those guys have.
GOOD AFTERNOON HAWAII!
Michelle Wie is in 13th place – but only five behind the leader. GO MICHELLE!
If Dick Parson claims kinship with UH, why not?
I’m sure if Dickie donated thousands of scores of dollars, good old Bennie Jay can produce award winning basketball documents in no time.
Go Wie Wie…
22…i believe you are describing the original ” T” formation.
30…i could be your brother,
Uh also had a JV football team. They played local teams and I remember an industrial team from Japan. That game was no contest. 40 something to zero. Good friend played in the very early 70s.
#26 NotNasti~ jv basketball was a long time ago, but if I remember correctly, UCLA jv, with Lew Alcinder and Lucius Alan defeated the varsity in a pre season scrimmage, with the varsity going on to win the national championship that year. Not sure if that part is true, but I know they did beat the varsity.
…..saw Levi Stanley play for the “Hawaiians” at the old stadium. Saw him hold off a double team single handedly. Yes, he was a beast.
…..no work ’till Monday…dodo dodo!!
…..ooops Tuesday! Cheeee! hehe
Hey, Boola! Our 2014 KSH class valedictorian is headed for New Haven…she’s a real good one, our 1st to Yale!
Papajoe2: we went to school in the LA area when Alcindor & UCLA were so dominating. Yep, it caused major ripples when word came out that the frosh team had beaten the varsity, who I think did win the national championship that year. Did you know there was also an ‘Alcindor rule’ for awhile? Imagine, dunking in college was not allowed for a number of years, but that motivated many players to really hone & fine-tune other facets of their game (sky hook, passing). Those guys could possibly make a good case that they were more technically sound in their overall play than many of today’s players.
Just my dos pesos…
RIP Mililani Carl… you were always generous with your time by making copies of past UH games for strangers and not accepting a dime. You were also a wealth of information when it came to UH sports. My belated condolences to his family.
PARSONS RANKS HIGHER IN MY BOOK THAN THAT TURD THAT DOESN’T LIST HIS STINT AT U.H. WHEN IT WAS BEING INVESTIGATED BY NCAA IN THE EARLY 70’S…WHAT WAS HIS NAME? AS IF ACKNOWLEDGING TIES WITH HAWAII WOULD TARNISH HIS IMAGE.
How’s about the powers that be at UH offer to award Parsons an Honor(what-u-call-it)degree if he contributes big $$$ to help the school out-of their red ink deficit?
Wat hour dis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WKfhj1lE0
Hawaii was on Alcindor’s/Jabbar’s short list during recruiting. What could’ve been.
Water-bed….cure for vertigo maybe…?
That is very sad to hear about Karl from Mililani’s passing. What was the cause?
BigFan: Any chance you’re mistaking Alciindor for Richard Washington?
Did not honor Parsons several years back as being a distinguished alumnae?
#68, could be now that you mention it. My memory could be going the route of Dick Parsons, lol.. I know Jabbar loves Hawaii so maybe that is what I was thinking.
#66 st.anthony trojan:
I don’t think so – you want no motion at all if you have vertigo.
RE: #63
Hiya mctruck — long time!
The ethnic studies department was known for their oral histories. Maybe someone can get a few publications out of it.
NYUHTX — “SK”? 😕
Coach Price always made it a point to teach the newcomers about the Hawaii tradition. Each era had some interesting characters. The special nature of our program drove players to overachieve and contribute to the legacy. Surely it was a great dynasty during the Jones-Brennan era. Prior, there were so many defining moments in UH history: from the Wonder Teams that barnstormed the mainland after a boat voyage, the teams that became military police after Pearl Harbor, the Rainbows who beat Washington with a 50 point spread and local journalists who complimented us on our pretty uniforms… Just so many interesting stores that sometimes we cannot get a focus. An oral history would be a wonderful resource and a mandatory boot camp course for the next generation of Rainbow Warriors.
Good morning, Tsaikos.
I wonder if the Freshman B-ball would have been listed in a transcript under Phys Ed back then.
#75, alwaysarainbow: I wish someone would write a book on Hawaii sports history that included both UH and high school stories. Most of the research material is sitting in either the microfilm section or the HS yearbook collection of the State Library. Does an archive of UH student newspapers exist? Maybe the students who worked on the paper back then saved copies of their work?
The newspapers may have this archived also.
When Parsons became a head of AOL or when he became Chairman of Citibank, there was a story in the news about his UH background as a student and player.
There was a freshman team, but I think it was actually a JV team. They played other JV teams, but also local teams like the HPD team.
60-Hilo Billy, yeah got word early on about her-very impressive young lady. We actually had 3KS kids this year accepted, but lost out to these dumpy schools in Boston and Princeton, NJ. No worries, many more to come…..imua!
Boolakanaka:
is there a hint of jealousy or friendly distaste for the Ivy league schools?
no worries, cause I dislike the likes of Boise St, Fresno St, Reno (although some like to call it Nevada), USC (total arrogance)