But if unlv ends up hosting
Send us there ncaa pretty please lol
jmy
October 3, 2016 9:13 am
Can’t believe that Stanford & UW still in the top ten, ranked higher than WSU…
Cindy Luis
October 3, 2016 9:24 am
5. you have to understand how the voting goes. when starting high in the poll, it takes a while to drop.
For WSU to go from unranked to No. 10 in 2 weeks is pretty impressive.
Cindy Luis
October 3, 2016 9:26 am
BTW, UH did not nominate anyone for Big West honors. Based on who they played, i might have a hard time to find anyone outstanding. Thoughts?
jmy
October 3, 2016 9:30 am
6. Point taken…It just seems kind of inconsistent…Florida lost & dropped 6 spots, UW lost & dropped one, Stanford lost & actually went up two…
Robin
October 3, 2016 9:39 am
Team is undefeated since the return of Annie. Probably would have beat Kansas State with just Nikki back…with Annie also, probably UW and possibly UCLA. Hard to believe they took #1 Wisconsin to 4 and lost 25-23 in the 4th without both Nikki and Annie.
RPI of Big West
21 Hawaii
48 UC Santa Barbara
50 Cal Poly
51 Long Beach St.
123 CSUN
129 UC Davis
133 UC Irvine
259 Cal St. Fullerton
270 UC Riverside
Cindy Luis
October 3, 2016 9:40 am
as for the RPI,
Hawaii opponents
1. Wisconsin
10 UCLA
11 Washington
16 Kansas State
38 Arizona
47 Pacific
67 Missouri State
71 Northern Illinois
94. Pepperdine
170. Utah Valley
21 Hawaii
48 UCSB
50 Cal Poly
51 Long Beach State
123 CSUN
129 UC Davis
133 UC Irvine
259 CSU Fullerton
270 UC Riverside
noblesol
October 3, 2016 9:52 am
#7 I was thinking last night that Hawaii might not nominate anyone for Big West honors, and that it wouldn’t be a bad thing. These weren’t signature wins against top completion after all, plus the excellent team effort was what came shining through this week. If they gave an honor for best team effort with most balanced scoring and greatest week over week overall team error reduction, that award would have gone to the Wahine this week.
Cindy Luis
October 3, 2016 9:54 am
8. agree. but UW lost in 5 to Stanford in Seattle, which is considered a big win for the Cardinal
Stanford then goes up to a hot WSU and loses in 5. Big jump for the Cougars and the Cardinals benefit from Florida’s fall.
Just where the points fall from 64 voters
as for Florida bad home loss, swept by Kentucky
Kentucky ends up going from unranked to T25
jmy
October 3, 2016 10:12 am
We’ll see if Minnesota’s hot streak continues this Wed. at Penn State…Nittany Lions seem to be finding their game…
noblesol
October 3, 2016 10:25 am
BZ for Cindy’s write-up for last night, and the accompanying photos. Enjoyed the quotes and commentary and the ‘just right’ usage of stats. Practically, I wouldn’t have needed to watch the game, just read her article. Enjoyed that the article captured not just the game but what players and coach thought of it and how it fit into where they’ve been and what’s ahead. The accompanying photo of KG taking a dig from Kahakai captured one of my favorite plays from last night. I thought KG turned a small corner last night. She had a nice long service run in set 2 and not only looked stronger but more confidant. You have to be to poach one from Savanah.
tongo
October 3, 2016 10:30 am
Yeah, Greeley does appears to be serving better. We are all hoping for Kalei to return to front row duty where her skills and experience are invaluable. When she is in, there just appears to be more stability – and that is no slam on Sibley who is doing a great job.
Maverick
October 3, 2016 10:42 am
Here is a detailed report on current RPI: https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/default.aspx
Select volleyball, women, current, all reports, 2016. Two good reports available for your analyzing pleasure.
No chance UH hosts this year, mainly because of its losses. Big West doesn’t help, although it has four teams in the top 51, better than last year. UH and Arizona have the worst records against Top 25 RPI competition (0-4) than any other team in the top 70 of RPI rankings. No quality wins out of conference is a big hit.
By comparison, UNLV is 15-1 and has no quality wins, but plays in a better RPI conference than the Big West. Has a worse SOS than UH. If UH had one loss rather than three, I believe that UH would be in the 10-15 RPI rank range. The only reason UH doesn’t have a rank in the 40s is its superior non-conference SOS.
8. jmy, your analysis fails to take into account quality of opponent, location of match, and how other teams performed in the top 25. Florida lost at home to an unranked Kentucky team and beat unranked Tennessee. Hardly top-notch opponents. So they get punished. Stanford loses to 17 WSU away and beats 7 UW away. UW loses to 9 Stanford and beats Cal at home. Voters aren’t going to harshly punish UW for losing to a top ten team. Stanford goes up because Florida and UW dropped and because of its quality win and quality loss, while UNC beat no one of consequence last week and wouldn’t be voted over Stanford.
I would recommend avoiding the logic of “if team A beats team B, it should be ranked higher” logic. It becomes circular. If A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A, all by 3-0 scores, who should be ranked higher?
Maverick
October 3, 2016 10:43 am
Here is the NCAA manual that elaborates on tournament selection criteria this year:
#21 to start in the RPI is great. if that holds, and if hawaii had managed to knock of 3 of the 4 teams (of wisconsin/ucla/kansas st/washington) … maybe even if hawaii had gone 2-2 … they could’ve been in contention for a seed by year-end. (remember that win/loss record against the RPI top 25 is major factor in seeding.)
the problem is that hawaii went 0-4 against those teams. and the #21 RPI ranking won’t hold. even if hawaii had picked up wins against those top 25 RPI teams, there’s no guarantee their RPI will put them in contention for a seed, after playing the big west teams.
the year-end RPI prognosticator on VT showed hawaii’s finishing the season at #30 RPI. that prediction is as of last week, and includes the possibility of hawaii carrying at least one loss in conference. even if hawaii runs the table and goes undefeated, it’s possible that hawaii’s RPI won’t rise much higher than that.
we’ll have to be content with hawaii being one of — if not the most — dangerous unseeded team in the draw.
if kansas state earns a seed, i’d love to see hawaii get sent there. ksu’s RPI is 16 this week. i bet this hawaii team would want another shot at them, at “fuller” strength…
let’s see how it all plays out … in the meantime, just take care of business in the big west and get the automatic berth…
Andy
October 3, 2016 12:12 pm
9 and 18 – after saving and planning for six months to fly from the mainland for the Chevron tournament, I was deeply disappointed that I was watching a team at half strength. I too was hoping for an undefeated preseason and an RPI high enough to host. But I re-watched that Arizona win and think it is one of my all time favorites. Shoji going way against character and riding four true freshmen to victory, who played with the fearless abandon you only have when you know there are no more alternatives behind you. My friends had to keep looking at the roster to figure out “who is that”, play after amazing play. We would not have been able to see all this with a healthy team. I agree that some high RPI teams are going to be very disappointed to be in the same bracket as UH come the NCAAs.
Maverick
October 3, 2016 12:22 pm
Interesting flip to UNLV. #6 AVCA-ranked Kansas, is 0-2 against RPI top 25 competition and 2-2 against the top 50. It’s SOS is ranked 147, yielding an RPI ranking of 39. Again, UH is saved from this by its non-conf schedule. However, expect Kansas to rise while UH falls in the RPI rankings, as they progress in conference play.
setaone
October 3, 2016 3:54 pm
I think the SID may have forgotten to nominate anyone.
vballfreak808
October 3, 2016 8:12 pm
Hey Cindy, has there ever been a story written on Jimbo? He’s been there for a long time and I know the players over time have loved having him there. Would love to hear his story.
warriorwahine
October 3, 2016 9:47 pm
welp #21 at rpi. should of, NOT could of, beaten k-state and should of beaten u-dub, both were weak, but apparently wahine took neither as priority.
unseeded uh goes to u-dub again (to be used as fodder by the no clue at all ncaa)
tipshot
October 4, 2016 5:32 am
Someone at VT predicts future RPI’s and Washington may not be seeded either. I wouldn’t be surprised if HI and WA got sent to San Diego for a sub regional. Yikes.
(And it’s “should have” not “should of” …sorry warriorwahine, but that’s one of my pet peeves that drives me crazy.)
tongo
October 4, 2016 7:13 am
Glad everyone is so optimistic about getting post season. Right now, the BW automatic berth to post season appears to be a two horse race between Long Beach and UH. This upcoming match at the Pyramid looms very large.
Mekanaka
October 4, 2016 9:52 am
After watching how efficiently LBS dispensed with CP and UCSB, the Wahines task will definitely be a challenge. Their middles are as formidable as ours and that player from China can terminate.
Rabbit ears
October 4, 2016 9:59 am
No worries, wahines will step up and take care of business.
Maverick
October 4, 2016 10:07 am
Cindy, I read your RPI article today and have one recommendation. The import of the article is the RPI for selection purposes, and the challenges UH faces. However, you mention that UH had a final RPI of 15 after their run in the tournament. Rather than using the final RPI, I would recommend using the selection RPI (you can find it in the RPI link I provided above), which the committee used to seed teams in the tournament. Any RPI after the selection RPI is irrelevant (I don’t know why NCAA even computes it once the tourney begins) and also skewed because only 64 teams play in the first round, 32 in the second, etc., so those teams that keep winning will see and RPI ranking rise relative to everyone else. UH was 26-1 at the end of the regular season and had a #26 RPI ranking, which clearly put it out of the seeding discussion. This ranking is a better comparable to discussing this year’s developing RPI ranking, as opposed to 2015’s end-of-postseason RPI rank.
tongo
October 4, 2016 10:15 am
Watched that LBS match vs SB Matched also. It was a breakout match for that 6’4″ Chinese MH – but to be fair, it was the match where Gauchos Sr .6’4″ MH Phoebe Grunt was injured and did not play. For me, my concern is OH Nele Barber who is hitting well mixing it up especially with the dink shots right over the block. Also, Beach switches 6’2″ MH Ashley Murray to the pin position in key situation, and you can see where the Beach will switch Murray to the pin when they can match her up with Granato. Also, even though the Beach do not have a lot of aces, they are good servers getting their opponents -both Cal Poly and Santa Barbara out of system. Our OHs will have their hands full.
Ron
October 4, 2016 11:17 am
Beware of LBS! They have the players and the coach that can beat us if we don”t play well. We need to have good passing to beat this team. We are better balanced but they are getting stronger as the season progresses. Thanks, tongo, love your updates.
Cindy Luis
October 4, 2016 4:07 pm
21. the SID did not forget to nominate anyone. they decided not to.
22. HEY, yes, done stuff on Jim but nothing recent
Dear Cindy,
Is this a good thing or not at this point of our schedule? Any possible scenario that Wahine can host 1st round this year?
Unlv’s rpi rank is surprising.
Wins over udub and kansas st probably would have UH clearly in hosting range oh well.
1. i’m thinking not because the Big West RPI is so low that Hawaii likely to drop each week. the insanity continues.
2. agree wins over KState and UW would have helped.
UH up to 12 in poll.
https://www.avca.org/polls/di-women/10-3-2016.html
But if unlv ends up hosting
Send us there ncaa pretty please lol
Can’t believe that Stanford & UW still in the top ten, ranked higher than WSU…
5. you have to understand how the voting goes. when starting high in the poll, it takes a while to drop.
For WSU to go from unranked to No. 10 in 2 weeks is pretty impressive.
BTW, UH did not nominate anyone for Big West honors. Based on who they played, i might have a hard time to find anyone outstanding. Thoughts?
6. Point taken…It just seems kind of inconsistent…Florida lost & dropped 6 spots, UW lost & dropped one, Stanford lost & actually went up two…
Team is undefeated since the return of Annie. Probably would have beat Kansas State with just Nikki back…with Annie also, probably UW and possibly UCLA. Hard to believe they took #1 Wisconsin to 4 and lost 25-23 in the 4th without both Nikki and Annie.
RPI of Big West
21 Hawaii
48 UC Santa Barbara
50 Cal Poly
51 Long Beach St.
123 CSUN
129 UC Davis
133 UC Irvine
259 Cal St. Fullerton
270 UC Riverside
as for the RPI,
Hawaii opponents
1. Wisconsin
10 UCLA
11 Washington
16 Kansas State
38 Arizona
47 Pacific
67 Missouri State
71 Northern Illinois
94. Pepperdine
170. Utah Valley
21 Hawaii
48 UCSB
50 Cal Poly
51 Long Beach State
123 CSUN
129 UC Davis
133 UC Irvine
259 CSU Fullerton
270 UC Riverside
#7 I was thinking last night that Hawaii might not nominate anyone for Big West honors, and that it wouldn’t be a bad thing. These weren’t signature wins against top completion after all, plus the excellent team effort was what came shining through this week. If they gave an honor for best team effort with most balanced scoring and greatest week over week overall team error reduction, that award would have gone to the Wahine this week.
8. agree. but UW lost in 5 to Stanford in Seattle, which is considered a big win for the Cardinal
Stanford then goes up to a hot WSU and loses in 5. Big jump for the Cougars and the Cardinals benefit from Florida’s fall.
Just where the points fall from 64 voters
as for Florida bad home loss, swept by Kentucky
Kentucky ends up going from unranked to T25
We’ll see if Minnesota’s hot streak continues this Wed. at Penn State…Nittany Lions seem to be finding their game…
BZ for Cindy’s write-up for last night, and the accompanying photos. Enjoyed the quotes and commentary and the ‘just right’ usage of stats. Practically, I wouldn’t have needed to watch the game, just read her article. Enjoyed that the article captured not just the game but what players and coach thought of it and how it fit into where they’ve been and what’s ahead. The accompanying photo of KG taking a dig from Kahakai captured one of my favorite plays from last night. I thought KG turned a small corner last night. She had a nice long service run in set 2 and not only looked stronger but more confidant. You have to be to poach one from Savanah.
Yeah, Greeley does appears to be serving better. We are all hoping for Kalei to return to front row duty where her skills and experience are invaluable. When she is in, there just appears to be more stability – and that is no slam on Sibley who is doing a great job.
Here is a detailed report on current RPI: https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/default.aspx
Select volleyball, women, current, all reports, 2016. Two good reports available for your analyzing pleasure.
No chance UH hosts this year, mainly because of its losses. Big West doesn’t help, although it has four teams in the top 51, better than last year. UH and Arizona have the worst records against Top 25 RPI competition (0-4) than any other team in the top 70 of RPI rankings. No quality wins out of conference is a big hit.
By comparison, UNLV is 15-1 and has no quality wins, but plays in a better RPI conference than the Big West. Has a worse SOS than UH. If UH had one loss rather than three, I believe that UH would be in the 10-15 RPI rank range. The only reason UH doesn’t have a rank in the 40s is its superior non-conference SOS.
8. jmy, your analysis fails to take into account quality of opponent, location of match, and how other teams performed in the top 25. Florida lost at home to an unranked Kentucky team and beat unranked Tennessee. Hardly top-notch opponents. So they get punished. Stanford loses to 17 WSU away and beats 7 UW away. UW loses to 9 Stanford and beats Cal at home. Voters aren’t going to harshly punish UW for losing to a top ten team. Stanford goes up because Florida and UW dropped and because of its quality win and quality loss, while UNC beat no one of consequence last week and wouldn’t be voted over Stanford.
I would recommend avoiding the logic of “if team A beats team B, it should be ranked higher” logic. It becomes circular. If A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A, all by 3-0 scores, who should be ranked higher?
Here is the NCAA manual that elaborates on tournament selection criteria this year:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIWVB_PreChamp_Manual_20160914.pdf
#21 to start in the RPI is great. if that holds, and if hawaii had managed to knock of 3 of the 4 teams (of wisconsin/ucla/kansas st/washington) … maybe even if hawaii had gone 2-2 … they could’ve been in contention for a seed by year-end. (remember that win/loss record against the RPI top 25 is major factor in seeding.)
the problem is that hawaii went 0-4 against those teams. and the #21 RPI ranking won’t hold. even if hawaii had picked up wins against those top 25 RPI teams, there’s no guarantee their RPI will put them in contention for a seed, after playing the big west teams.
the year-end RPI prognosticator on VT showed hawaii’s finishing the season at #30 RPI. that prediction is as of last week, and includes the possibility of hawaii carrying at least one loss in conference. even if hawaii runs the table and goes undefeated, it’s possible that hawaii’s RPI won’t rise much higher than that.
we’ll have to be content with hawaii being one of — if not the most — dangerous unseeded team in the draw.
if kansas state earns a seed, i’d love to see hawaii get sent there. ksu’s RPI is 16 this week. i bet this hawaii team would want another shot at them, at “fuller” strength…
let’s see how it all plays out … in the meantime, just take care of business in the big west and get the automatic berth…
9 and 18 – after saving and planning for six months to fly from the mainland for the Chevron tournament, I was deeply disappointed that I was watching a team at half strength. I too was hoping for an undefeated preseason and an RPI high enough to host. But I re-watched that Arizona win and think it is one of my all time favorites. Shoji going way against character and riding four true freshmen to victory, who played with the fearless abandon you only have when you know there are no more alternatives behind you. My friends had to keep looking at the roster to figure out “who is that”, play after amazing play. We would not have been able to see all this with a healthy team. I agree that some high RPI teams are going to be very disappointed to be in the same bracket as UH come the NCAAs.
Interesting flip to UNLV. #6 AVCA-ranked Kansas, is 0-2 against RPI top 25 competition and 2-2 against the top 50. It’s SOS is ranked 147, yielding an RPI ranking of 39. Again, UH is saved from this by its non-conf schedule. However, expect Kansas to rise while UH falls in the RPI rankings, as they progress in conference play.
I think the SID may have forgotten to nominate anyone.
Hey Cindy, has there ever been a story written on Jimbo? He’s been there for a long time and I know the players over time have loved having him there. Would love to hear his story.
welp #21 at rpi. should of, NOT could of, beaten k-state and should of beaten u-dub, both were weak, but apparently wahine took neither as priority.
unseeded uh goes to u-dub again (to be used as fodder by the no clue at all ncaa)
Someone at VT predicts future RPI’s and Washington may not be seeded either. I wouldn’t be surprised if HI and WA got sent to San Diego for a sub regional. Yikes.
(And it’s “should have” not “should of” …sorry warriorwahine, but that’s one of my pet peeves that drives me crazy.)
Glad everyone is so optimistic about getting post season. Right now, the BW automatic berth to post season appears to be a two horse race between Long Beach and UH. This upcoming match at the Pyramid looms very large.
After watching how efficiently LBS dispensed with CP and UCSB, the Wahines task will definitely be a challenge. Their middles are as formidable as ours and that player from China can terminate.
No worries, wahines will step up and take care of business.
Cindy, I read your RPI article today and have one recommendation. The import of the article is the RPI for selection purposes, and the challenges UH faces. However, you mention that UH had a final RPI of 15 after their run in the tournament. Rather than using the final RPI, I would recommend using the selection RPI (you can find it in the RPI link I provided above), which the committee used to seed teams in the tournament. Any RPI after the selection RPI is irrelevant (I don’t know why NCAA even computes it once the tourney begins) and also skewed because only 64 teams play in the first round, 32 in the second, etc., so those teams that keep winning will see and RPI ranking rise relative to everyone else. UH was 26-1 at the end of the regular season and had a #26 RPI ranking, which clearly put it out of the seeding discussion. This ranking is a better comparable to discussing this year’s developing RPI ranking, as opposed to 2015’s end-of-postseason RPI rank.
Watched that LBS match vs SB Matched also. It was a breakout match for that 6’4″ Chinese MH – but to be fair, it was the match where Gauchos Sr .6’4″ MH Phoebe Grunt was injured and did not play. For me, my concern is OH Nele Barber who is hitting well mixing it up especially with the dink shots right over the block. Also, Beach switches 6’2″ MH Ashley Murray to the pin position in key situation, and you can see where the Beach will switch Murray to the pin when they can match her up with Granato. Also, even though the Beach do not have a lot of aces, they are good servers getting their opponents -both Cal Poly and Santa Barbara out of system. Our OHs will have their hands full.
Beware of LBS! They have the players and the coach that can beat us if we don”t play well. We need to have good passing to beat this team. We are better balanced but they are getting stronger as the season progresses. Thanks, tongo, love your updates.
21. the SID did not forget to nominate anyone. they decided not to.
22. HEY, yes, done stuff on Jim but nothing recent
http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39556
new thread up