Back in Manoa
The Warriors resume practicing today in preparation for their two-game home stand against Nevada and then Utah State.
After this, the Warriors will play three of their final four regular-season games on the mainland.
Head coach Norm Chow was back in the office early this morning after spending most of the past two days with his wife, who remains hospitalized at UCLA Medical Center.
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ST: i don’t get how you were parsing my statement. if i worked at a hospital, and everyone in my unit thought the administrator was an idiot, so then i said “man, why do people here think doctor so and so is an idiot?” Does this imply that i don’t work in my unit? or am I saying that i don’t understand why the people physically (or in this case, digitally) present or a part of the unit thinks the administrator is an idiot?
Good morning, Tsai-kos!
Have a good practice, Warriors!
Hope that Mrs. Chow is showing some improvement and that she is doing well.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Beau Reilly play this weekend.
Might be fun, in fact.
Getting back to what was written yesterday on the blog about Chow’s contention that Reilly will play. That makes perfect sense. Chow has always maintained the idea that if a player can contribute to the team regardless of the availability of redshirting the player that player will play. He’s has echoed this many times. With six games remaining Reilly needs to be ready. What gets me is that others in the media, like Gary that does the fan phones after the game, kept reiterating that Chow needs to preserve Reilly’s redshirt. So I kept listening to Gary…Reilly’s year needs to be saved…Reilly’s year needs to be saved…blah, blah. That didn’t make sense to me, especially if one knew Chow’s philosophy regarding redshirting his freshmen players before hand. The point is that I’m glad that for the record Reilly’s future status was set straight (it came from the coach Gary…that’s who you should confer with next time instead of rambling on).
good morning Tsaikos.
Has an honorary captain been named this week?
If not. Who do you think would be a great candidate? Hint: this player was definitely a thorn in CK’s side. Played in the middle.
Great Morning All!
Howzit, whitey!
GO WARRIORS!!!
Aigohanahananau…
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played on the Warrior team that beat Nevada when it was ranked (?).
Chow MUST give up his play calling to someone else; otherwise everyone will stop watching and coming out to games!
Can we start Ewaliko as QB in a wildcat package with both St. Juste & Lakalaka in the backfield; as our version of the triple option–with a few pass plays & reverses in it? Ewaliko would create another weapon in our backfield; can cause confusion to defenses. NOW THAT WOULD BE EXCITING TO WATCH!
Should Reilly be playing or should he redshirt. Simple.
1) Reilly is practicing as if he’s going to play.
2) Reilley will play if, a) Woolsey gets hurt and can’t go and b) Woolsey is playing so terribly that Chow will have to make a change.
3) Reilly is only 1 play away from getting in the game.
4) Because of injuries to Higgins and Graham, Reilly is getting a chance to move up and maybe can be in the game.
5) If he plays, he plays. You play to win the game. HELLO!
6) Reilly will tell you that he wants to play this year, if possible. He practicing all he can do to be ready when counted on. Up to coach!
7) My opinion, get him ready and play the young man this week already. Why are you saving him for?
Dear Norm,
You know I have been supportive of you. But my friend the walls are closing in on you. So let me offer a solution to your current precarious situation. You know that Rolo will be in town this week. He’s that OC that you fired, remember?
I suggest you invite Rolo over to your place for a friendly chat. Tell that your sorry and have an idea that might save your job and even ignite a little badly needed fan interest. Tell him that at the end of the season you want him to pack his bags and book a flight to HNL. Let him know that he will be OC with control of the offense (reserve the right to encourage him to run up the middle one or two times each game just for old time sake). Let him know that he will also be associate head coach and that you will be retiring when your contract expires. That gives Rolo two years to prove himself sufficiently to apply for the HC job. Tell him that you know your coaching career is on the downward slide but that you want to leave the program better than you found it and you need his help. Remind him about the beautiful sunsets, aloha spirit etc etc.
Now Norm, I know you don’t always take my advice. Next year if I see you downtown applying for unemployment insurance benefits I won’t say I told you so. But I will quietly shake my head and wonder why you are so stubborn. Now’s the time Norm. You gotta do something different or it will only be you and me at the games.
Your friend,
Arcum
GOOD MORNING, HAWAII!
I would like to see IW succeed.
I would like to have BR preserve his redshirt status\\
However, if at first you don’t succeed, why persist?
Me disagree..with most on here..
Rolo is not the fix we need..
What we really need is a QB..like he will bring in this weekend…NO OFFENSE to IW….PARDON THE PUN…
Old timers would say ‘even John K. Almeida can see that’ now there was a musician…
Coach Chow should not have been in the position to decide the fate of the previous coaching staff. No matter how the spin doctors worked it, Mack was fired and the previous AD didn’t want to take the heat for firing the assistants as he should have.
What’s the old saying? IW would have a hard time scoring even if he was alone in a room full of 50 year old prostitutes.
I really don’t know what to say anymore about the game, the players, or the coach. So I’ll just say hello to all. Have a good day.
Whatever happens to Chow at the end of this season, they need to ensure Coach Clune is retained and promoted ($$$) somehow.
Hey NN… lots of that here.. but not the 50 year old ones…he he he..
Next year we have Max Wittek and Ikaika coming back along with zwalen.
If your Beau Riley you want to play now and worry about the redshirt next year.
People wanting to hold a redshirt for next year does not understand our depth chart.
Wittek is the best QB at UH unfortunately he is not eligible until next year.
Go Warriors!
Strip the football.
Make Reno fumble.
Practice it.
Practice it.
Practice it.
Thank you
#13
Would be a nice wrinkle; buuuuut Keelan has a hard enough time trying to get in the game, let alone have a complete offensive set designed around him… GO BOWS!!!
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Chow did not fire the previous staff. He did not retain most of them to his detriment.
Go Rainbow Warriors!!
Urban has too many penalties… Need Afusia at center.
O-line needs to protect better.
Woolsey needs to be more accurate and get rid of the ball quicker. Should have more roll-out if he is not hurting.
Even though they are different plays, cannot run on 1st down all the time. On many occasions, the defense were all waiting for Lakalaka and Saint Juste… Several of the time they have success throwing the ball were when they threw on 1st down.
After throwing on 1st down with an incomplete, they often elect to run the ball on 2nd down and they were usually stopped. They ended up in 3rd and long and cannot move the chains. Once again, needs to mix them up.
Receivers need to catch those balls – need to practice like Bess used to do. What happened to the tight-ends?
Hadden needs to practice his kicks!! He misses the most needed FGs.
Defense is playing pretty good and so is special team. But they can still make some improvement in tackling. DBs need to be sharp! LBs need to come back from injury.
Guud Morning Tsaikos…bootiful day.
imho, Norm did not fire Rolo. His job application wasn’t accepted. Every new administration gets to pick who they want.
Tanman, yes…do all those things and we win games. They’ve been trying to do those things but something always seem to go wrong.
Woolsey has all the tools. Just needs to relax and play the game. When he starts to have fun, you’ll see the talent come out.
Aigoo, time fo hanahana…
The offensive woes are a result of more than one group so can’t really pin it all on just one. The team could have definitely used a healthy and eligible Iosefa, healthy QBs, and the three receivers that are no longer here. The offensive play calling is predictable but if the offense can’t even execute the simple plays consistently, you can’t really blame the coaches for not opening up the playbook as much as they would want to. Coach is in a tough situation. He’s running out of games to get this team going while many are pressing for Riley to get a chance, he really hasn’t had much reps at all with offense so it really is tough to just throw him in there. However you never know, he could be a total gamer and rise to the occasion. Woolsey certainly has looked good in practice but it hasn’t translated to the game except for the 2nd half of Wyoming and the first half of the Washington game.
If the Tennessee Titans drafted Matt Leinert instead of Vince Young the Titans Offense would probably score more touchdowns under Chow and extended both Chows and Leinerts career. However Chow was stuck with Vince Young who could not absorb the speed of the NFL and the mind to counter that speed. I am wondering if our current QB situation is the same. Trying to simplify our playbook because of the mental capacity of our current QB’s.
#15. You saying make Rolo an offer he can’t refuse?
Rolo and Clune have shown they can handle their side of the ball. Their ability to run the whole show is up in the air.
whoops, the receiver that is no longer here, and the two injured for the season ones*
I am in Reno where the media is still celebrating the Wolfpack’s come from behind win over BYU @ BYU. Their team is going to be coming into the game beaming with confidence. Our boys will have to play hard and smart to match them. They have a good qb and a some very good defensive players. They are Leary however of playing in “the islands” . A big, loud crowd could make a difference. Let’s get out and support! I’ll be there. Go Bows Go!
I highly doubt Rolo would come to Hawaii to become an OC even with a coaching change. He has it made at Reno and I only really see him leaving there for a head coaching job.
I’ll be surprised if we surpass 20,000 for this coming game. I’m not counting the fabricated number that they come out with after.
As the announcer said on the TV on the last game, UH does NOT have the talented players that they NEED. Unless the coaches recruit better we’re going to have the same mediocre teams.
Morning all. Nice to see this place so fresh and so clean. 🙂
Heard on BC’s show this morning that Nevada is still on the beat-BYU high. Hope they take us lightly and trap themselves. You never know.
I have a feeling Beau will make an appearance this game especially if Woolsey takes a couple more hits. The guy is a fighter but I don’t know how much more his body can handle given the shape he is in now.
35. You may well be correct re: Rolo. But I don’t think his coaching resume now is going to get him any serious consideration as a HC. Also I am not sure what the future looks like for Nevada’s offense. With Fajardo gone it may not be as bright. If this is so, Rolo may take a page out of JJ’s book and get out of Dodge before things go south. On the other hand I think our offensive future might be brighter with those we will have available next year. If Rolo came back he would have quite a bit to work with personnel wise. I’m not predicting Rolo returning as I have no idea how realistic this is. But we need someone young and bright but with much more expereince than those we have now (and a HC willing to get out of the way).
#35. Money talks. Hit up the Punahou mafia for extra funds, jk. I know the UHAD is getting away from having boosters subsidize salaries.
But you got to admit Rolo as OC is one of the more interesting “what ifs.”
I would have liked to see Rolovich retained by Chow, but in the end it really is Chow’s ship and his decision to bring on who he wants.
Don’t agree with his decision but I certainly respect it. I wouldn’t want to lead an organization or business with caveats on who I can or cannot bring into my inner circle.
The UH offense is like a ship without a rudder.
Nevada is supposed to have a young and not that good OL. However, they have only given up 10 sacks this season, so far. Their defense gives up yardage but they have players like Hekking that cause turnovers and they held BYU to only 7 points in the second half , while the offense scored 29. The other defensive end, Ian Seau,who forces fumbles and makes tackles for loss, is a nephew of Junior Seau.
They have a punter that can kick or kicks rugby style.
39.
Yeah that would be interesting. I think his career as OC at Nevada started off shaky ,but it has been getting better and his skills are really starting to show.
40.
I would have been shocked if Chow retained Rolo. Rolo is a talented and upcoming coach but he and Chow had different offensive styles and at the time Chow was not as open to handing over the reigns and control of the offense to someone else. He has given more control to Wynn but a lot of that has to do with them being on the same page considering how long they have been working together under the same offense.
Note to Norm Chow:
Here is how easy your offense is to prepare for..Brock Hekking from Nevada says “It’s a straight up battle. They’re not going to disguise anything. They have a couple plays, here it is.”
So not only do the fans see how vanilla your offense is, but opposing teams are having no trouble at all preparing for the pro style offense, come stop us approach….
Might want to start implementing some creative sets, and disguising your runs with some early passes and some misdirection. Teams know what’s coming and that’s half the battle for them to make their job defending easy..
Put Ewaliko at Wildcat, provide blocking TE’s and blocking backs and let him make plays.
All of McMackin’s assistants were on one year contracts. Chow chose to not retain Rolo and Aranda. He did not fire them. He just did not re-hire them. That was his prerogative.
In McMakin’s two worst years he had 6 wins. It has taken Chow 2-1/2 seasons just to get to 6 wins total — and only 3 of those wins were against established FBS competition. Chow has not yet won on the road. McMackin’s teams had at least two road wins each year. McMackin may have had some other issues, but the biggest issue was with the AD (and I don’t mean the current AD) getting big head about where he thought the program was headed. Lots of parallels with the Wagner – von Appen debacle.
I think most of us would be pretty happy now with 6-7 and two road wins. Losing hurts attendance and cash flow, but playing boring football hurts attendance and cash flow as well. The style of football is all on the coach.
I don’t see how there is any chance Reilly does not play this year. We have lost two QBs so far with our last man standing not at 100%. With Wittek available next year and Woolsey hopefully healed Reilly could redshirt next year if he still needs some time to develop. What are the chances Woolsey can play every snap from here on out?
45. Don’t need te or blocking backs.. spread out field to create more space.. the more blockers, the more guys stack the.box
46.
You say that most of us would be pretty happy with 6-7 and two road wins, but that’s only now with the way the past few seasons have been. Had this still been the McMackin era and still getting 6-7 records, the fan base would be frustrated, furious and calling for his head. And as I recall that’s exactly how it was his last two seasons. I’m sure you could archive the blog during that time and the same people calling for Chow’s job were also calling for Coach Mack’s.
46. Yes you are quite right that coach Chow did not “fire” Rolo but simply declined to retain him. But when you are a young coach with a family I am not sure it feels any different.
So I would ammend by entreaty to coach Chow (#15) to say: “He was that OC that you chose not to retain, remember?”
46. — Previous AD did upgrade the basketball program coaches, before he left.
50.
Yes, Beeman was a steal. By far the best hire by an AD for quite some time.
#46. Quite right. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
There is another sports website who think they are fans, but their favorite past time is to call for the firing of any coach they feel can’t cut it. When they were calling for firing McMackin, I stated then that it would be at least 4 – 5 years for football to regain its footing — new system and new players needed that would fit that scheme, with a number of players being cast adrift or transferring.
Sure enough, we have had a number of players fall by the wayside or transfer, and a new system that is taking time to find players that fit and learn the system. This is year 3.
If you made a decision, as ill-advised it may seem now, you need to stick it out. If you don’t, you will never gain any stability. Looking back, a lot of “fans” clamored for a change, but it does not look like they were willing to pay the price. Think they figured we’d make a change and it would be simple.
Just plug in a new coach and staff and we’d be back on track. The best laid plans . . .
If there is a thought to try something out of the box, why not bring in as QB coach, that person who seems to have an eye and talent for developing QBs at St. Louis School. Who knows, bringing him may also get UH ahead in the sweepstakes to get their stellar QB.
This is off topic, but it’s a funny comment posted on an article regarding the Percy Harvin trade from Seattle to the Jets. The article was trying to figure out why didn’t Seattle try to maximize value by sending Harvin to an AFC contender (such as the Patriots, and Belichick’s history of working with trouble makers).
Here’s what the comment said:
“Bill, it’s Pete.”
“Hi Pete.”
“Interested in Harvin?”
“No, but you should tell Rex Ryan that I am.”
“Haha, great idea, catch you later.”
— Harvin to Jets trade executed next day
Another warm day in Manoa.
2 deflating events on Saturday morning.
Pali Hwy – about 8 am – 45 mph (which is seldom followed) – going about 60 mph when 5 cars pass me on the left – within 20 seconds all 5 are out of sight – all drivers going over 75 mph and all female drivers
waiting at cross walk for walk signal – older man (probably in his early 60s )with more white hair than me approaches and says, “Hi uncle, how you doing” – I reply, “fine” – then thought, I must really look old now!!!!!!!!!!
whatever we say about Coach Chow – all I can add was he brought this upon himself by hiring 4 grad assistants and made them his assistant coaches and banking on his “old-style” philosophy of “smash-mouth” football without having the players to accomplish this
as one commentator said on Saturday, Hawaii is losing on the road because they do not have the players the past 2 years to win away games – is he saying that UH has not recruited well??
perhaps so with all the hoopla when a player commits to Hawaii – I have been know to make the comment, “that’s why they play for UH” and not a BCS school – does that indicate they are not good? hell no, but it’s up to each player to truly prepare to play his best all 60minues of every game
52. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. So true.
SUMMARY: The Tennessee Titans have fired offensive coordinator Norm Chow after a season of struggling to score points this season. The Titans finished 21st overall in total offense and became the first team with only nine touchdown passes to reach the playoffs in a 16-game season. “I appreciate all of the hard work and contributions he made to the organization during his time here, but I have decided to go in a different direction and will start the process of finding a new offensive coordinator,” Titans coach Jeff Fisher said in the statement. Chow, 61, had been the OC for three seasons.
#52 u are obviously not in business.
if u see a loser u cut your losses before it bleeds u dry. u don’t sit around and think a longer term will create stability. yeah, stability of being below average.
mack did his job, he kept the program above average after JJ abruptly left. had the geniuses hired the correct coach after Mack, Dino Babers, we’d be flying high right now. instead they wanted to bring home uncle Norm to kill our program. his last gift to BYU.
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You can’t say for sure that Babers would have been a success until he actually does it.
#23- Not So Fast My Friend!
The receivers need to catch the ball with their hands. All the time.
When I think of our offensive woes I try to look for wrinkles that may help us move the ball on a consistent basis…One team comes to mind who was great at that given the talent level of athletes they had this team definitely made the most of their players…I’m talking about Boise St. they had multiple personnel groups for designated situations which allowed them to keep defenses off balance at this point I think if Hawaii were to do this they may experience some success…How long do we as fans have to wait until what is broken will be fixed…Honestly we’ve already done things the opposite way and tried to fix something that wasn’t broken(firing Mack) now we find ourselves in this situation of dire straits athletic department facing an even bigger deficit then previously thought and things won’t change until they change and you can forget upper campus paying the athletic department any mind cause I honestly believe they feel the university would be better off without sports…
Good morning everyone!
RE: #2
Aloha Smyczynski — long time!
re: *34
beans — do you reside in Reno?
I’m looking for all Tsai-kos residing outside of Hawaii…
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70.
You’re right that it could happen but can’t know for sure until they have the job and show us what they can do. Just because they are successful at one place does not guarantee success at another. Even if you’re comparing AQ to Non AQ there is no guarantee. You would have to take into consideration the difference in talent and depth and other related issues like University support, funding, etc. We can sit here all day and say we wish that they hired babers because we think he would turn the program around, but that is an assumption.
To add to Rolo’s resume when he was in his last year here, he was one of the two finalists for the Oklahoma State job. Adult– a hall of fame coach– is picky as heck and he picked Rolo to work for him at Nevada.
57… Chow hasn’t run the “pro-style” much the last two seasons. UH has been shotgun, 3 or 4 wide for all of 2013 and up to the previous week with Graham starting. Chow moved the QB back under center to increase the variety of run plays, plus protect Graham. The 2 back sets worked vs Wyoming other than for protecting the QB. I’m guessing Chow kept the 2 RB sets to minimize the # of hits on Woosley, knowing that he was not 100% in addition to having success with that last week. You do have to give credit to SDSU for just kicking UH’s OLine and DLine’s butts. This was worst game of season for the UH big boys on both sides.
Looking at the playcalling vs SDSU it was painfully obvious UH was trying to “hide” the QB in an attempt to minimize the role of the position. That’s because: 1: IW is banged up; 2: IW has been inconsistent; 3: Zero trust in Beau Reilly.
The funny was that SDSU was doing the same thing, because their QB was not 100% and had been just as bad as UH’s QB, but the difference was their OLine executed much better. I don’t think either team attempted to throw more than 5 yards down field until well into the game. Which is kinda shocking for a FBS level football teams not running a triple-option, and even the option teams take shots down the field.
I think that’s a poor way to manage an inconsistent QB. “Hiding” the QB just puts way too much pressure on the defense to hold the opponent and essentially forces the defense to come up with multiple big plays (which you can never count on).
My friends reminded me this past weekend…
-Boring football. Crowd going be more sparse on Saturday.
-More fun to watch High School football.
-Nothing worse than watching live football and yelling at the TV the entire game…I can think of worse things.
Gotta step it up, both Kane and Wahine this weekend.
GO WAHINE!
GO RAINBOW WARRIORS!
steveM, me thinks in your next life, if you are not already, you going be one Archivist or a stalker. 😆
#72
It’s all an asumption but if you look at both of their track records then Babers is better than Chow. Babers have actually turned a program into a winner, can’t say the same for Chow. Chow had only 4 wins after two years, the change should’ve been made.
Sean Schroeder was a champion at QB for Hawaii. Now that Sean is gone we see that Hawaii has no QB to lead the offense. The WR are getting open finally but no one to see the read and throw a accurate ball to them. Might as well give Beau Reilly a shot because the status quo isn’t getting the job done at QB.
#78
It doesn’t matter what type of Offense we’re running, we don’t have the personnel to run it effectively.
77.
Yes that is true. I just wonder if Babers would want to endure the madness and mess that is the athletic department and upper campus.
Re: #52
AdmrVT — I agree. I think we are all spoiled by the instant success of June Jones and expect that a coaching change will instantly bring greatness. The other instant success I recall was under Bob Wagner with Paul Johnson’s spread option= beat BYU and go to the first UH bowl game. But you know what happened to Wagner. McMackin too after no bowl game every year. VonAppen is an example of no instant fix.
Note that Johnson’s option attack and JJ’s air raid Run & Shoot were “novel” offenses at the time and outran the bigger, slower smash mouth players. It utilized smaller and less recruited players, except for the JJ’s offensive line. Then Glanville demanded some studs for his defense. 🙂 So unless there’s a new offense out there, I don’t see any quick, dazzling success.
At this point, I am satisfied to see the players have a coach who cares about them and ensures they graduate… and hope we start winning games.
jimmy the lock — pick a (Warrior Beat) blog day — any day, and I’ll email you a .pdf from the archives.
You also should double check the upper right corner of your windows.
SteveM, ok, you are currently an archivists so that means in your next life you’ll be a stalker. 😆
Looked at the right corners of my kitchen window and front window but didn’t notice anything unusual. Will check my car windows when I go to lunch.
fuel to the fire.
I can argue either way bashing or backing Chow. My take for backing Chow.
We’re not that far away from being a solid program. With Chow patience is a virtue. He’s slowly adding in the pieces to his staff, Clune, Gouveia, Demo , Naole and Beemer. The defense, special teams and conditioning are up to par. Only the offense has to kick it up a few notches.
When you consider the returnees for next year including the healthy and the now injured, the players now redshirting and the first batch of “mission recruits” coming in, the nucleus of a good team is there. Recruiting to fill needs will be a priority. To change coaching regimes will put us back to square one. There’s no guarantee anyone can succeed in turning the program around immediately, which is what most fans want.
We’re really a Garrett Gabriel type QB and a Greg Salas type receiver away. Not super talents but good college players. Be patient.
Shot gun doesn’t determine whether or not you are running pro set or not… majority of our sets have been 2 wide with fb and te or 3 wide with a te and rb..
I hardly recall any 4 wide sets. Also notice the zone read plays we run aren’t actually zone read.. I hardly ever see Woolsey read the D.. it looks like pre determined called run or pass and they just show zone read as a type of play.action.. Woolsey could pull the ball way more often to run but never does
cocobean, individual patience is one thing but at what point will administrative patience be tested? Loss of fan interest, loss of revenue, losses…
jimmy, like I said I can argue both sides in regards to Chow. You want to here my take on bashing him.
#81
I disagree, most people are not spoiled. JJ gave us an identity, he made Hawaii football RELEVANT! Now that our identity is gone there’s really nothing to hold on to. People are upset, can you blame them, look at what’s going on with the team right now. Unless you’re a true UH football fan then the team has become an afterthought.
#53 Buffoman, in today’s paper Tua has already been offered a scholie by UCLA. His options in 2017 will be at the highest levels of the game. It would be an uphill battle to get his services no matter who is coaching here.
85. They’ve had some pseudo 4-wide looks with the TE split out. I pretty sure UH doesn’t have enough healthy WRs for true 4 wide sets.
In any case, “pro-style” has no definition anymore as NFL teams are always adapting and integrating elements from creative college offenses.
I don’t think UH calls much zone-read option if at all. Like what you see, I see predetermined run/pass on the zone-read looks. I actually think the majority of teams call pre-determined run/pass with the zone-read look rather than a pure read-option. The exception probably being Nevada, and you never really can tell unless you are on the team. Coaches know all too well that they can’t expose their QB to unnecessary hits, especially without a reliable backup.
The real trick is getting the QB and RBs to sell the read-option irregardless of what the actual call is. When a halfway trained eye has a hard time telling what it is, then the team is running it correctly. If we can’t tell from an ideal camera angle and no crowd noise, then the defense on the field certainly will have a tough time recognizing which way the ball is going at game speed with 300lb men trying to bull you over and 200lb men cutting your legs in the open.
To me it doesn’t even seem like Reilly is the 4th string. Seems like open competition all year long.
Why the line moved down to 3 ? More than a couple of plays will be used by UH ?
forget the read, we don’t even run the inside zone. all I see is bang. don’t see any bend or bounce.
The main issue regardless of what formation Hawaii uses is the offense is too simple for teams to prepare for and we don’t have the talent to just go out and beat other teams with winning 1 on 1s all day. There needs to be scheme, in game adjustments, and ways to spread defenses out to make them play in space.. Too easy to stack the box and jam our inexperienced WRs.
If you notice even against Udub, Rice and Oregon St. We drove down on 1st couple drives while the teams felt us out. Then made simple adjustments the rest of the way. I don’t know why we don’t run more gimmick stuff. For example. The Marcus Kemp reverse pass in game 1. The play call was great, execution was bad. But to win, we need to keep taking chances and hopefully we execute. This run, run, pass, punt crap aint gonna win games and won’t bring fans to the stadium.
No. 78. Schroeder was a champion at UH? WTF? He was 1-11 last year. Is that your idea of a champion?
88 If you want to point blame, you can point the finger directly at then-UHAD Herman Frazier, then UH President (who’s name I can’t recall right now) and the BOR for completely fumbling JJ’s contract situation and flat out refusal/incompetence to address some of JJ’s requests to improve facilities.
Sorry to sound like a broken record on that point… but it’s fair to say UH is one of the worst run Universities in the nation. After visiting campus during August, I see they build a fancy new student rec center while Kuykendall Hall, both libraries, and several housing buildings fall apart. In addition to many other buildings that are badly outdated. Kuykendall Hall’s paint/exterior are peeling off and looks like it could collapse… Just a sad sight especially since most students and parents walk by this building as it’s located close to campus center. It’s probably one of several areas UH coaches have to avoid when hosting a recruit.
Jeezy, there have been an occasional moments of creative playcalling, just not enough of it. For obvious reasons, you can’t rely on trick plays, but there appears to be room are a few more gimmick plays per game. UH also needs to execute them better. Seems like the timing has been good, and the opponent definitely is caught off guard, but the execution hasn’t been there.
I do remember at UNLV last year, UH scattered a 4 play set with the fly sweep look. They ran 2 QB keepers (w/Woosley at QB), one fly sweep, and one handoff to Iosefa. I remember one QB keeper was stopped for no gain, but Woosley broke a 40+yard run on the other and the other handoffs all gained decent yardage.
Things like that need to be working into the weekly playcard Wynn & Chow draw up each week. In the NFL, a playcard can be an 11×17 double sided completely filled with size 8 font. Looking at the playcalling the past couple weeks, I think UH’s playcard could fit it onto a 3×5 index card.
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I just think the thought process for many coaches is that if the QB struggles, you have to scale back, not give him more. That’s where I think the issue is with the lack of creative playcalling. It’s a leap of blind faith to call more advanced plays if the QB hasn’t been successful at executing the easy stuff. It’s crawl before you can run kind of thing.
My take is if it’s to that point, it’s time to change QBs.
3×5 index card w 3 plays
BANG – 1st/2nd down, 3rd/4th and short. MF, right hash, left hash
FADE – 3rd and long. MF, right hash, left hash
SQUARE IN – 3rd and medium. Marcus Kemp side of the field.
#70
no
#74
Ault
#85
I agree
To restate: The TE was thrown to 4 times in the last two games. All completions. Why just 4 attempts in 2 games? Anybody paying attention?
I was watching the 49’s and they replaced the QB in the 4th quarter.
I don’t believe the QB was hurt.
But they made the change. Never heard of the QB.
Well, let’s see what happens this weekend this time.
#98
Agree with your analysis of the correlation between play-calling and QB performance, as Chow’s/Wynn’s emphasis has been on execution of a simplified offense but still has not happened. Time for another QB change? I still can’t see how we can expect a no-experience 22 y/o freshman to come in and succeed, but at this point in the season why not try? GO BEAUS!!!
the whole notion that “pro-style” means “smash mouth” or “boring” or “easy to prepare for” is dumb. Pro-style offenses are extremely complex and hard to learn, involving complex blocking schemes, route trees, and being able to make multiple reads while still delivering the football accurately in 2-3 seconds. Contrast this to most spread offenses, like the oregon blur, which have very limited reads (usually only 1 read) and relies on pushing the tempo in order to force the defense to stay in their base formations and not be able to disguise their coverages effectively.
pro-style is also an extremely broad term, because it basically means “the type of offense that the pros use.” Even the term “spread” is a very broad term. Not all pro-style offenses and spread offenses are the same (although at the nfl level, offenses are actually pretty homogenous), and actually most professional teams are incorporating spread concepts, from the run and shoot, air raid, read-option, and so on.
so don’t get it twisted, the pro-style isn’t a boring, easy to prepare for offense. Norm Chow’s offense (as it currently is right now) is boring and easy to prepare for.
Funny to think that most of us (even me) was hating on Schroeder when he first was our QB…..But, if we had Schroeder as our QB this year….I think we’d be either 6-1, or 5-2…at the worse.
TSAI #56
Is this a coded message or are you going tiki808 on us?
Isn’t communication your thing?
Wyoming Game: St. Juste: 17 carries for 135 yds, 7.9 yds per carry, Lakalaka: 22 carries for 80 yds, 3.5 yds per carry.
SDSU Game: St. Juste: 6 carries (only) for 32 yds., 5.3 yds per carry, Lakalaka: 16 carries for 58 yds, 3.6 yds per carry.
Hmmm. Which back is more effective?
# 56… means… things are getting HOT up there on campus.. n the AD is on his way out…
UH…49
OTHERS 17…
BEAU WILL COME IN N THROW FOR 7 TD’S
BUKOSKI WILL HAVE 3
MINOR 808 HERE…
if it was a homage to tiki808, it would be gibberish. like this: ikaika woolsey has a completion percentage below 50%. This usually is a result of four rules that are the shape of things to come. Rule #1 states are you the shortening of the way? Things will sometimes fall apart as everything has happened before and everything will happen again. But when you break rule #3 is when subpar performances by your starting quarterback usually leads to non-optimal outcomes in terms of winning percentages on an unusually warm manoa day.
this is usually followed by people ignoring the post, or a few going “lol! i love it. i try to figure out what you’re trying to say EVERY TIME!!!!”
4-prong.. me thinks.. 808 could hire you as a ‘writer’ he he he
could be a compliment if ur in that institution on the side of the mountain ST lives..
Uh, oh. Two people have been using multiple online names.
I think some posts are going to disappear soon.
oh oh… number one son..is playing sleuth now..woo woo
94… Really?!? Just for attempts to TEs? Wow. Speaking of TEs, nice to see Pu’u-Robinson get on the field and stay healthy.
98… That might be a little optimistic, but UH would be no worse than 4-3 if they had decent QB play. The injuries to Haynes and Stubblefield, in my opinion, have really limited what the offense can do. I think UH has been able to manage Iosefa’s absence better than expected.
“four”, not “for”…
sheesh… I should have just typed “4”
“FORE-RIGHT!!!”
— Tiger Wood’s caddie
Having watched Woolsey in practice and a scrimmage, I agree with Chow that Woolsey has the skills and know-how to be able to be a good quarterback for us. The problem is our quarterback coach is too young and inexperienced to work with Woolsey to identify what is causing him problems and work with him to get better. Maybe even adjust the offense slightly– blocking, plays, and receiver’s routes. Look at all the quarterbacks we have had going back to Wagner who have had to adapt to new offenses and to learn and improve– guys like Garrett Gabriel who had to adapt to the triple option, Greg Alexander, Dan Robinson, Rolovich, Whieldon, Withy-Allen, Moniz, Granule (triple option QB in highs school) and David Graves (running QB in high school)– they all had to adapt to a new offense nothing like what they played with before and it took some time, but they developed to where they could do the job.
Waikupu,
Sean Schroeder was a Champion for Hawaii at QB. He took a beat down his first season in 2012 when the Oline was so bad. He had back surgery, never complained when Taylor Graham and Woolsey got the QB job ahead of him in 2013. And when he got the call in the Fresno game the offense started to put up points and yards in bunches with Sean at the helm. Unlike, this 2014 season with what we have seen so far at QB.
Plus. it’s too bad that Kaumeyers 2013 defense gave up more yards and points than Sean and the offense could put up! It was never about the record, because Sean didn’t play on defense or special teams. And its a team sport with 3 phases, Sean and the offense did there jobs really well in 2013.
So next time you say something about a Hawaii player make sure you can point out more than a win-lose record. Or it looks like you don’t know what your talking about.
@79
If season end with only three wins, then anyone who comes in and wins one more than previous year or 4 the next season is savior ala June jones, right?
Your argument in defense norm needs some work.
Whats up: Nice comments on Schroeder. I was disappointed in 2012. His arm strength was questionable, and he held on to the ball forever. But he took a massive beating and kept getting up. Back surgery and he works his way back. Then he provides some of the most exciting times in the Chow era. Talk about guts.
F Jei. I agree it needs some work. But I disagree with your 4 wins thing. If you read what I said is people want to turn things around immediately. Four wins is not a turnaround in my book, is it in yours?
4-Prong #102 I actually stopped reading tiki808’s gibberish writing. It was wasting my time. My hope is that the offense clicks in soon and consistently. I so feel for our players because no one likes to lose more than the players and coaches. Benny Fonua has made the most of his opportunity and has played extremely well. Again I say that we need to put the ball in our play makers hands such as Ewaliko and St. Juste and have an attacking offense that will put the defense on their heels.
Misery loves company. Cal scores a fourth quarter touchdown against UCLA to take a 34-33 lead. Dykes then sends his kicking team onto the field! Cal has to burn a timeout to get their 2 point conversion set on the field. Funny listening to the announcers–“what is Cal doing? Why in the world wouldn’t you be ready to go for 2?”
Although, Dykes has brought life to the program in his second year. Fun to watch them play.
I’m backing Chow for this season and next season. But I am disappointed with the QB play since he arrived. I imainged that we would be able to get a 3 or even four star player with Chow’s resume. I do believe this season would have been different if Witteck was able to play. He is giving me hope for a bowl game next season.
And I wouldn’t want JJ back
cocobean: what exactly is “immediately” in your book? is it a realistic expectation for a head coach to have his team be competitive and at least break even in wins/losses in a weak conference by his third year (when all of his players and offensive and defensive systems should be installed)?
nobody expected 12-0 his first year. a losing first season is fine. a losing second season is fine as well, but not regression. a losing third season with no significant signs of progression that enables us to even win games… idk about that.
@115.
I’m backing the players. They deserve to go out winners.
You go with norm and back him. He need you now.
Whether anyone wants or doesn’t want JJ back, one thing I know for sure, his offense will bring fans back to the stadium and potent enough whether he recruits or not to get UH bowl eligible.
We saw the improvement the defense made when we finally brought in a decent coordinator.. We now need a good offensive coordinator to do the same thing. Chow has had a new coordinator every year– first was Tommy Lee, second was Price (who never really got started before he was fired with pay, then Wynn– a guy with zero coaching experience.
Let the coordinator see what we have and develop an offense and a program for rebuilding the offense. This should have been done in year one, but it did not happen. Look at Colorado State– that is what they did when they hired their coach– they made changes, but were able to implement them form day one, Same for Fresno (the coordinator was the guy demoted to make room for Chow at Utah), and even New Mexico has improved (all three beat us in their first year– they were able to get an offense running from day one– it did not take four or five years.
the Gmen 7, Royals 1. Final.
Here is some positive news Hawaii made top 10 plays for college football this week with that hail mary. They were ranked number 2 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IudbMdiHASw
I agree with @tempmanoa the history has shown Chow can’t do Head coach/coordinator at the same time. Thing is could/would hawai’i be willing to get a solid coordinator that would be able to maybe have maybe more of a better handle on the offense.
Ok…Facts
Chow is one of the lowest paid coaches not only in the MWC but in all of college…
His assistants are also…
We have a great staff that cares for bottom level prices. Stop complaining. We are not getting any good coaches for what he gets paid. We have very bad Qb’s and WR this year…That’s it. Chow cant thow a ball or make catches for Kemp.
If any other people could run routes, read the play book or catch…they would be playing. We just have a bad offensive group this year. Suck it up and wait for Wittek..Whoever plays this year is riding bench next year anyway.
Good argument, Jeff chow.
#124 Fei Jai: lol
Jeff, things won’t change next year– it will be the same offense unless Chow decides to get someone who can fix it. There is no point in saying that we cannot afford better. We found money for the defense and we should do it for the offense. It is not just the players. Good coaches teach and get good execution and the best possible out of their players- a lot of learning happens in college football. There is a world of difference over high school. For example, Bess, Pilares, Lelie, and Salas have all credited the coaching on catching and positioning for the catch that they got at Hawaii– they don’t just go out and play that way, they are taught. You do not learn to do that teaching and get results by reading books or watching films– it takes experience. Like Chow says, Woolsey has all the tools to be a starting QB, but he needs to be coached to improve his execution and build his confidence
tempmanoa: but are those….. facts? because jeff just straight up declared “facts” as if that would strengthen any of his following arguments. i mean, so decisive! i’m inclined to believe him. you know. because, facts.
118. — If JJ is still good, how come his SMU team was on a downslide and they may end up 0 – 12 this year ?
4-P. Immediately as it pertains to a turn around in the wins and lost column is to win more than you lose. I don’t think you can call it a turn around if that doesn’t happen. My statement was something like – there is no guarantee that anyone can succeed in turning the program around immediately which is what most fans want.
Yes. It is a reasonable expectation to at least break even in a coach’s third season. The question for the decision makers is what should they do? Hence the argument. Get rid of him or bring in someone new. If you look at my post I said I could argue both sides of the question. I just presented things the decision makers will look. They have to decide how close to a turn around has he gotten by the end of the season. If they say not close enough and fire him that’s ok with me. If they he’s close enough that he deserves another year I’m fine with that also. If he stays I’m sure the decision makers will insist he bring in an OC like they insisted Kaumeyer had to go.
Freudian slip. #129. shud be. Get rid of him or keep him.
islandman: there were reports, as far as i know, that june jones and SMU were on the outs anyway, after the arizona state deal fell through. also, they lost their starting qb early in the season, and i guess june jones was just burnt out from coaching. will he ever coach again? who knows. but if he does, i don’t doubt he has the chops for whatever job it is. he definitely turned around UH football, and he transformed SMU while he was there into a decent mid major that made bowl games.
give the man some respect for his body of work and his coaching acumen.
Cal lee would have had a better win/loss record as hc than norm.
Same with mianoif either was selected as hc instead of norm.
jeff your facts are not facts. That’s a fact.
Didn’t mean to tease you but I couldn’t resist. Not sure about the assistants but Chow is not the lowest paid coach in the MWC. I’m pretty sure there’s coaches in the Sun Belt and Mid American that are paid less.
hey Fei we finally agree on something. Miano was my first choice. Norm was my last. I did several ABC posts prior to his selection. But once he was selected I’ve tried to be supportive of him.
All you guys giving Chow suggestions about his offense and its predictability are simply wasting your time. He aint changing shizzle. And you know that.
THE most predictable offense in D1 football, no matter what anyone tells you. Oh, there are different blocking schemes, different sets, blah, blah, blah. It is the same plays over and over again. There may be different looks, but if the fans can call the plays from the couch or the stands, you know for a fact that the opposing coach in the box is having NO problem setting his defensive formation.
Sad really. Our players, who are actually talented in areas, will never be put in a position to succeed under Chow’s mindset. And you know that too.
#128 JJ’s problem is his recruiting. His pass recruiting classes were really bad.
And dang . . . I really wanted to see Cal get the gig. Just out of pure curiosity. He definitely wouldn’t have done any worse. He would’ve taken the gig cheap too, I bet.
And btw . . . as angry and frustrated I am about certain things that Chow does, I don’t want to see the guy get fired. I would rather he figure it out, turn it around, and experience success. With that said, things need to improve. Let’s start with the play calling please.
http://www.philsteele.com/All_Conference/2014/2014_Midseason/MW.html
Phil Steele’s 2014 Midseason All-Mountain West Team
Clarke and Harding are the only Warriors named first team.
What’s Up: Schroeder is hardly a champion. QBs are judged on their won loss records. 1-11 – I laugh at you. You one chump boy. Chumpy, chumpy boy. Winning is not everything, it is the only thing – Vince Lombardi.
#138:Kev-1 you hit the nail on the head…I was predicting the playcalling during the Wyoming game..I caught on to the play call cadence of run, run, pass real quick and so did Wyoming that’s why they pinned their ears back on 3rd down if it wasn’t for the playcalling being mixed up in the the second half we probably wouldn’t have won that game…
kev-1 is a true fan!
oh stop with the miano and cal lee crap…
We are getting good recruits just because of Chow…who do they know? How would they recruit on the mainland? Our WR core is depleted and all Qbs are hurt….every team would lose like that
I always thought Coach Mack wasn’t given a fair shake and that his departure had more to do with the “fag dance” comment then his win or loss record..His first season was rough but he did a great job at identifying and hire two young up and coming coordinators in Rolo & Aranda they also knew how to identify talent in under recruited prospects till this day I wonder what direction the program would have gone if Mack was not relieved of his duties at the football banquet of all places that to me says it was a personal thing not a professional thing
Arguably a courageous decision for those confident in a turn-around, and willing to roll the dice that the attendance slide will end in 2014.
“2,100 fewer fans per game than last year and the lowest attendance since a winless season in 1998.”
“The Rainbow Warriors have three home games remaining, but if the trend continues, ticket sales could fall $500,000 or more short of projections.”
http://www.k5thehometeam.com/story/26842984/uh-football-attendance-falls-short-of-projections
thank you donkey =)
#128,
The people that brought JJ to SMU are no longer there. He doesn’t have the backing he originally had. That’s why he applied for the position at ASU. He was out the door as the deal was made with the AD. It was announced and then the ASU President shot it down.
JJ has been a lame duck coach for a couple of years now and it affected his health and home life.
He will rebuild the program he brought national acclaim to and turn the reigns over to his successor in 2-3 years.
#144,
Spot on comments. Mack was his own worst enemy. He should have stayed away from the offense and just concentrate on defense. He took the pedal off the gas a couple of times and it resulted in losses.l
so much acrimony here to-nite..
where is senor AL… with his jokes.. me miss a good laugh here..
not talking on ‘field’ laugh…
#138
I concur. Let’s get/stay behind our team, Chow, and the coaches and see how it plays out.
The remaining schedule is not easy so we will be tested but let’s stop the talk about firing Chow and support what we have now. I don’t believe the constant criticism of Chow helps our team’s cause. Let’s play for today and tomorrow’s need of action will unfold. Support, support, support until it is time to make an intelligent decision. We are only half way through the season.
I do strongly with you about the play calling. It needs to get better STARTING THIS WEEK!
Go Bows Go!
AGREE (:-)
Chow has good ideas and he never follows through and always comes back to the same thing. He started saying he would run something like a run and shoot combined with his system to use our talent. Instead he went to his under center system. Then most recently he said he learned his lesson that the pound it out system would not work– he would spread it out more. But while he has some formations that are halfway to a spread, his system is still packed into the middle, and most of our game never goes outside the tackles. The one thing he has done is to have the receivers that learned the run the run and shoot routes run them– Harding’s recent TD’s and some of Gant’s TD’s are run and shoot routes (verified by Chow), but the conservative philosophy is still the same.
most pro-style offenses (and just offenses in general) incorporate some kind of run and shoot concepts anyway.
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