Hawaii up to 24 in poll, Greeley FOW
Sorry for the delay, just got back in from paddling.
Greeley FOW. UH nominated Manu-Olevao for POW, Mendoza for DOW
From the Big West:
Hawai‘i outside hitter Kalei Greeley helped her team sprint out to a 2-0 start in conference play as the Big West Women’s Volleyball Freshman Player of the Week.
Greeley compiled a .314 hitting percentage (20-4-51) while averaging 3.33 kills, 3.50 digs and 0.50 blocks per set in Rainbow Wahine road victories over UC Davis and UC Riverside.
She produced eight kills and nine digs in a sweep of the Aggies. Greeley also hit .333 with just one error in the match.
In a three-set victory against the Highlanders, Greeley turned in her first double-double of the campaign with 12 kills and 12 digs, and she added a pair of blocks to the effort. Greeley also hit .300 (12-3-30) against UCR.
Hawaii up a spot to 24
Top 4 remain the same: Stanford, Texas, Penn State, Washington
USC falls 10 spots to 19
as for teams that have beaten Hawaii
Oregon 12-0 up two spots to 11
Arizona State 11-3 up two spots to 17
UCLA 10-3 stays at 20
http://www.avca.org/divisions/division-one-women/poll-9-29-14di/
well awaiting fridays game. hoping to see shoji add more to the attack like adding passi to the service line like he ordered so in the match vs davis.
also cindy any knowledge on kahakai?
To add: Arizona up 4 spots from 18 to 14. Arizona looked good beating the ASU Sun Devils in five. Also noted CS Northridge moved up from 37 to 31. Perhaps Big West getting some recognition.
Have no update on Kahakai. They were off today, so am I
2. Perhaps. But if it wasn’t for that rotation that UCI got into at the end of Set 5 when leading 14-13, I doubt if CSUN would have been mentioned at all this week.
woo hoo big congrats to Greeley!!! and to the team moving a spot to 24…
NCAA stats out. Hawaii moved up to #3 in team blocking. Magill again ranked in blocking (10th) and hitting percentage (21st). Hawaii ranked high in service aces (20th) with Tayler Higgins and Tai Manu-Olevao getting in the top 50. Wish Hawaii would get more efficient in hitting by the end of the year and make the top 50 in hitting percentage. That would indicate real progress.
Sorry I’m behind…who did USC lose too? 10 spots is a BIG drop.
ASU and ucla. But they also have loses to A and M, Wisconsin, and Florida. And they were VERY bad loses too. Asu and ucla outright outplayed them
Congratulations Kalei! Friday’s match is with the two leading contenders for the FOY. Go Kalei!
8. Just goes to show you how much chemistry importance is. USC has top recruits and a renown coach and has no chemistry going. Hopefully Mick Haley will get it going the second half of their conference season.
I can’t argue with Greeley’s FOW honors; However, Manu-Olevau nominated for POW I disagree.
Manu-Olevau has been the kill leader this past two road games. However, if you take into account points that are awarded to the opponent because of kill errors, service errors, receive errors, blocking errors, ball handling errors, you see a different picture.
At UC Davis
Manu-Olevao led in points with 14.5 points (13 kills, 3 block assists), .171 hitting %
Magill with 11.5 points (10 kills, 3 block assists), .615 hitting %
Taylor with 10 points (9 kills, 2 block assists), .474 hitting %
Greeley with 9.5 points (8 kills, 1 service ace, 1 block assist), .333 hitting %
Adolpho with 9.0 points (5 kills, 1 block solo, 6 block assist), .333 hitting %
However when you subtract attack errors, service errors, receive errors, blocking errors, ball handling errors, the actual point’s leader changes:
Magill 8.5 points (11.5 points minus 2 attack errors, 1 blocking error)
Taylor 8.0 points (10 points minus 2 service errors)
Greeley 5.5 points (9.5 points minus 1 attack error, 2 service errors, 1 receive error)
Manu-Olevao 4.5 points (14.5 points minus 7 attack errors, 2service errors, 1 receive errors)
At UC Riverside
Manu-Olevao led in points with 16.0 points (12 kill, 1 service ace, 2 block solo, 2 block assist), .189%
Greeley with 13.5 points (12 kills, 1 block solo, 1 block assist), .300 hitting%
Taylor with 13.0 points (10 kills, 1 block solo, 4 block assists), .233 hitting%
Magill with 9.0 points (6 kills, 6 block assists), .278 hitting%
Adolpho with 3.0 points (3 kills), .286 hitting%
Again, when you subtract attack errors, service errors, receive errors, blocking errors, ball handling errors, the point’s leader board changes:
Greeley 10.5 points (13.5 points minus 3 attack errors)
Taylor 10.0 points (13.0 points minus 3 attack errors)
Magill 8.0 points (9.0 points minus 1 attack error)
Manu-Olevao 7 points (16 points minus 5 attack errors, 4 service errors)
Bottom line, Hawaii’s chances of going undefeated in the BWC 1) hinges on the right arm of Manu-Olevao (hitting for .171 and .189 at two bottom feeders won’t get it done at Northridge, Long Beach, and UCSB…LOL, even at home). Manu-Olevau need a wider array of shots when she sees two or more well-formed blockers camped out every time she gets a “no other choice” set from Higgins. 2) Passing will have to improve big-time (efficient passing will Hawaii’s middle hitter for more opportunities for a kill; thus creating one-one opportunities for the pin hitters), and 3) Manu-Olevau and Higgins must continue to serve bullets but with less errors.
I was surprised that they put tai for player of the week too. I thought it’s gonna be Taylor or Greeley. I based it in a all around effort and efficiency.
Comparing rankings
Hawaii
#23 RichKern Poll #20 Pablo Rankings #13 RKPI Rankings #24 AVCA Poll
Congrats Kalei! As a freshman, you are terrific We look forward to your development in the years to come. I like this team a lot. No super stars as yet like Hartong but plenty of emerging stars.
11. someone has way too much time on their hands.
Not taken into account are when the kills happened, as how Manu-Olevao came up big at the end of the match at Davis.
Nor taken into account what kind of set it was, what kind of swing she was able to get, trouble set?
She is also moving into the O1 position that Hartong had last year, adjusting to that role.
IDK. There didn’t seem to be this kind of scrutiny and analysis when Hartong, for example, had a 24 kill night at UCSB but hit .188, 11 errors, 2 SEs, aced twice.
Just found some video on Annie Mitchem. Looks like 2 matches have been posted. 3-2 win over NAIA power Concordia-Irvine where Annie had 16k, 16d, 10b and a 3-0 win over Santa Barbara City College where Annie had 18k, 14d.
CIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5q7KgZ_Fs
SBCC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yvMCy2R8zg
Cause Hartong usually hit above .280 for the season.
Olevao right now has the lowest hitting percentage of the starters( like last season) and she has the most hitting attempts of all starters despite missing two games. I don’t think she should be the first option for this team to be the most successful, but I will be called a hater for thinking that.
#11 #16
+1
16. She ended up at the L1 in part due to Taylor’s injury. They’re still playing with the lineup, as evidenced by Passi being put in to serve.
No one calling you a hater.
The thing with Manu-Olevao is she is very inconsistent.
she does have the lowest hitting percentage of the current starters at .224. Greeley .235, Taylor 236. Only hitter/middle who is over .259 is Magill at .409.
#11 #16
+2
Chee-hooo Kalei…Your playing fantastic as a newcomer. You are a pretty reliable and consistent player. Keep up that great focus on the court!!
This weekend
Watched both Fullerton and UCI this past weekend. The Withers kid at CSF, who has been named Freshman of the Week three times so far, may have 3.89 K/set (#2 in the BW ) but she is only hitting .165. There seems to be this push in the BW to set her up for FOY but BW coaches will make their decision base on how Greeley plays against them. She may not have gaudy numbers in the kills area but she is a very good all around player and that could go a long way with the BW coaches.
UCI also has players in the top 5 of just about every category in the BW lost to LBSU 3-1 and went 5 with CSUN that may be a pretty good match this weekend.
olevao’s hitting is certainly inconsistent still. the big difference is that she’s come up big in when the team has needed kills from her. she tended to shy away from those critical match moments last year. she’s improved leaps and bounds from last year, but the up-and-down hitting might be something that fans will have to cope with. this, for sure, will be a point of frustration for fans throughout the season.
it says something that the team can rely on her for the big moments … let’s see if she can find that consistent stride from start to finish.
#15
First of all, no pun intended to Tai Manu-Olevao. She probably would agree that her over-all numbers was not good enough for POW honors.
Agree, everyone reading these blogs have “way too much time on their hands”.
We all don’t agree. We are all unique. We all see things differently. But, isn’t it nice to see things in another perspective, instead of the status quo year-after-year, i.e. how points are calculated.
I would think, my post made it clear that volleyball is not only a game of kills, aces, and blocks, this game also comes with hitting errors, receiving errors, serving errors, blocking errors, ball handling errors. These errors are points for the opponent, and should be treated as a factor when calculating a player’s points per match.
Bottom line, my post wasn’t to demean Tai Manu-Olevao, but to make the fans realize points per match go beyond kills, aces, and blocks. These other components (hitting errors, receiving errors, serving errors, blocking errors, ball handling errors) are critical to the outcome of a match. And when choosing weekly honors, AA honors, these other components should be a factor.
And, there’s a reason why Emily Hartong was a 3-time AA, she had a well-rounded game with a hitting percentage of >.280 for her Wahine’ career.
This will be my last post. Aloha nui loa.
Yay for Kalei! So happy that she chose to play for University of Hawaii.
i wanna go to the uci match this week, but can only make the fullerton match. :/
oh, and congrats to Kalei Greeley! … the first of many honors she will get throughout her career as a wahine.
seasider — that looked like a lot of work you did there. kudos to you. unfortunately, i don’t think that much analysis goes into these nominations. i’m guessing that sometimes a nomination is given based just as much on “impressions” as stats. just a thought …
Cindy, you seriously can’t be comparing Hartong to Olevao. Hartong may have bad nights, but 24 kills is 24 kills, and hitting almost .300 despite getting all the trash sets is awesome. So, no, fans are not going to scrutinize her having a few bad nights in a whole season. Fans have been used to big gun Left-side hitters. Olevao just doesn’t fit that mold. Before her, they had Hartong, Croson (also inconsistent on offense but great in the back row), Danielson, Waber (well, she was a true freshman), Houston, Mason, Arnott and Boogaard.
#22 Hawaii should sweep UCI especially at home. They lost to Utah State and New Mexico, two teams Hawaii beat fairly easily.
Please don’t stop, Seasider. Your post was insightful and thought provoking.
As to the reply you got, probably PPS (post paddling syndrome). I’m sure she will
apologize.
#30
Please!
#16.. Annie sure is packing some heat behind those swings. Seems like she is hitting over the Concordia block on some hits. Majority of Concordia’s front row players are listed at 6′ and up. I know it is a year away, but the damage Magill/Mitchem duo will create next year is crazy to think about!
We really got a steal in Kalei. I’ll repeat myself and say I see a lot Angelica in her play. Not as tall, plays a different position no physical resemblance but see Angelica in her demeanor and steadiness. Like “Angie” she makes plays hitting, blocking, serving , receiving and digging.
She seems to have an air of unflappability that’s able to shake off errors without affecting her next play much like A. L.
29. Waber? Really?
30. Apologize for what? The first thought I had when I saw seasider’s post was the same thing Cindy said, “Dude has way too much time on his hands.”
To paraphrase from all of you negatively commenting on Manu-Olevao: “I’m not hating, I’m just making observations.”
Damn forgot to change my avatar when posting here. The more appropriate one reads, ” You can only fight the way you practice.” Miyamoto Musashi.
The only sure things in life – death, taxes and bickering on Volleyshots.
#11, #16, #20 have it correct.
Typo in main story: Change “Arizona State 11-3 up two spots to 19” to “up two spots to 17.”
Summary of AVCA Top 25 for September 29, 2014
Conf. (No. of Members) = No. of Conf. Members in Top 25
1. Pac-12 (12 teams) = 7 [Stanford, Wash, Oreg, AZ, AZ St, USC, UCLA]
2. Big Ten (14 teams) = 6 [PSU, Wis, Neb, Purdue, Ill, Minn] … Didn’t know Rutgers is now a Big Ten school
3. SEC (13 teams) = 3 [Florida, Kentucky, Texas A&M]
4. ACC (15 teams) = 3 [Florida St, N Carolina, Duke]
5. WCC (10 teams) = 3 [BYU, Loyola Marymount, San Diego]
6. Big 12 (9 teams) = 1 [Texas]
7. Mountain West (11 teams) = 1 [Colorado St]
8. Big West (9 teams) = 1 [UH]
Some may be surprised that the WCC has 3 schools in the AVCA Top 25 while the Big West has only 1. I’m not. If you remember last year’s NCAA Championship, 2 WCC schools (of 2) made it to the Sweet 16 while the 2 (of 3) Big West teams that made it to the Round of 32 were beaten to near death: USC 3 — CSU Northridge 0 (25-19, 25-18, 25-18) and BYU 3 — Hawai’i 0 (25-21, 25-17, 25-13).
#16, so which is Annie in the videos ?
34. Who did UH steal her from? Thought she always wanted to come to UH.
15. “11. someone has way too much time on their hands.”
ROFL
idk. A steal in the sense we got more from her than was expect when she was recruited. Tonight on a sportscast, can’t recall the station, Shoji was asked if he thought Kalei would play this well. He said no. It’s a pleasant surprise for him the way she’s handled the opportunity he gave her.
Never implied we stole her a way from another school.
11. yes. and we dwell on errors then having the players concentrate on the mission and win the sets. im not talking about past errors when it was crucial by one or few errors. im talking about currently. though tai may be inconsistent but still she has shown to be quite capable of restoring the situation (provided that it could be restored; exception ucla). point being tai was the one who kept the team afloat vs nau 2nd game, bailed hawai’i in the 3rd set from davis to keep them from prolonging their frustration and bailed the bows out of riverside in the 2nd set when they are too close for comfort and finished off in the 3rd set.
add to above tai bailing out na wahine from nau, davis, and riverside shouldnt had to be necessary but oh well thats happens when you take it easy and got too comfortable. unless the goal is to toy with the opponent and create more game including whether shoji masterminded it (kind of in a shove of war ‘joust at the net’, hey they are beating us we have to push harder and unleash your teams flurries)
correction to #44. we dwell on errors (more) than having players win the sets.
correction to #45. thats what happens when you take it easy and got too comfortable.
#16 & # 40, In the first video, Annie is #11 in the dark jerseys, i think, and in the second she is in the white.
Kudos to Kalei Greeley. What made the Wahine a better team was the emergence of a right side threat (NT). Prior to that Hawaii struggled. When Shoji orders Higgins to set left (TMO), he is going with only 1 attacker against a double block. This meant Emily Hartong (LOH) taking most of the swings and NT (ROH) much fewer (with 1 blocker on her). Same thing this year with TMO replacing EH. Ironically, the setter stands between the MB and the ROH. The set left is approximately 20′ while the set right is approximately 5′ (29′ court width). This explains why both Karsta Lowe 6′-4″ (UCLA) and Aiyana Whitney 6′-4″ (Penn State) play ROH.
Great weekend for the girls and wahine fans. With respect Cindy and just a thought. When monitoring a blog I think we discourage folks who bring good well researched opinions (not necessarily popular opinions) to this forum when we stray from middle and you comment negatively on their posts. We are all fans of Na Wahine and contributors such as Seasider have a lot to offer this group. In the least his opinions come with structure and research and are not any way demeaning to other posters.
Call the coach with Dave Shoji and Tiff Wells today, 6pm ESPN 1420.
#47 See her bio and follow her season at Irvine Valley College WVB site.
39. Thank you. should have been either up two spots FROM 19 or up two spots to 17.
29. Hot, I was comparing Manu-Olevao to Hartong in the sense that they are the O1, a role that Manu-Olevao is adjusting to this season. I picked a match by Hartong where her overall stats were not her normal performance to show the value beyond the hitting errors and service errors, something that other seemed to overlook when it came to her but have been quick to criticize when it comes to Manu-Olevao.
Value goes beyond the stats and the fact that she came from hitting negative to come up big on the road speaks to that.
Annie is the real deal… I’m intrigued to see where Dave will play her, so many possibilities … It’s a shame she’s only going to have 2 years as a Wahine.
I would not fault Hartong, nor Olevao, nor any of the “01” hitters for low stats because not only is there a double block on the left but during crunch time everyone in the building knows what’s coming. Moreover, the high set from the setter has little margin for error or the hitter gets trapped. It’s obvious that Shoji wants his best hitter taking her shots (against a stacked block); but, excluding both the middle and the right makes UH a 1 dimensional team.
Don’t believe that UH offense has excluded the middle or the right side, if you look at what Magill has done and now what Taylor is doing since she’s back in the lineup. However on trouble sets the ball goes to Manu-Olevao if she’s in position to take the set, as it did with Hartong, Danielson, Houston, etc. That’s what the O1 does
The offense had been planned around Taylor until her injury. Things could change once she’s 100 percent. Hawaii has options on the offense
can hawaii still get seeded? it’s looking like there is a slight, slight possibility. i thought i’d just throw this out there.
the key might be in the matches against csun. csun did a great job in their non-conference scheduling, and they did fairly well in those matches. so well in fact that it’s possible that they can finish the season with a top 25 RPI. but this is what would need to happen …
the RPI projections on VT (as of today) has hawaii finishing at about 18 in the RPI, which technically would put them in consideration for a seed. one of the factors used by the committee in seeding is wins against top 25 RPI teams. right now hawaii is 0-2 against the RPI top 25 (with losses to oregon and ucla). yes, not a great resume for a seeded team.
but the RPI projections has csun finishing just inside the RPI top 25. if that holds, it would give hawaii 2 more opportunities to get wins against a top 25 RPI team. win both against csun, and suddenly hawaii is 2-2 against the RPI top 25 (and 3-3 against the RPI top 50). that, at least, makes for a better case for a seed.
ultimately, these are just projections. these numbers and ratings have to hold. a lot would have to go in hawaii’s favor. hawaii would have to win out, or at the very least, win both match-ups against csun (which for this year is a tall order). and a lot would depend too on the resumes of other teams who are on the bubble for a seed.
but on paper, there might be a slight chance for hawaii to snag a seed … however slim that chance might be.
My bad, my comment was in regard to the final points of close games (crunch time) when the setter is told to set the left side. An example would be last year’s game against Arizona. Mita Uiato set Emily Hartong 4 times in a row and Arizona blocked her 3 straight times (none other than Olivia Magill)! Another example was in last weeks radio talk show someone asked him why Taylor Higgins kept setting the left and he said he told her to do that. A third example was against Davis where TMO had 39 sets (hitting .171) while NT had 19 sets hitting .414.
57. Another is when Washington knew the set was going to Hartong on match point. IMO the setter knows who the go to is, but should use her own discretion if she sees a hitter who has no blocker or one blocker in her area and go to her instead of the go-to who has the block stacked against her.
Mahalo to LC for the heads up on which non HI player to watch this weekenf