11-28 Top 25 scores, Hawaii 3, UCR 1
1) Stanford def. Cal 25-15, 25-19, 25-15
2) Wisconsin def. No. 19 Purdue 25-18, 25-19, 25-15
5) Washington def. Washington State 25-20, 25-18, 26-24
7) North Carolina def. Wake Forest 25-18, 25-23, 25-22
8) Florida State def. Miami-FL 25-21, 25-22, 25-18
14. Arizona def. No. 22 Arizona St 29-17 25-20, 25-21
13) Oregon lost to Oregon State 25-27, 18-25, 25-21, 12-25
23) Utah def. No. 18 Colorado 22-25, 25-22, 25-19, 25-19
#25 Hawaii (H) vs. UC Riverside No scores yet
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since riverside is hardly a threat. hopefully plenty of reserve play and even reserve start with only sending in the real starts to restore the situation if necessary. not sure how much shoji is willing to gamble though, he may be oh no i wont.
perhaps long can start or get plenty of play, she and the libero can lead the way for na wahine.
without saying hawai’i should win but try to disallow uncouth eyes of davis scouting
UH is so ridiculous sometimes. They cleared the arena between basketball and volleyball instead of letting volleyball ticket holders in early. made hundreds and hundreds of people wait. Don’t know why they didn’t think about doing a 2 for 1 promo. Might have picked up some basketball fans who watched tonight.
I agree.
nicely said, cindy
I had suggested it earlier, especially since they were going to make their older fans stand outside when there is very little seating.
They had all season to plan this but …
Why are we surprised.
will be on tight deadline tonight with the 8 p.m start so will drop in when I can. No change in Hawaii’s lineup, Higgins, Taylor, Magill, Manu-Olevao, Greeley, Mendoza and a nice cheer for Adolpho.
My wife and I today attended the Wahine basketball game and would have stayed for the Wahine volleyball game if any promo was offered. The attendants basically said to us to leave. We could of snuck up to the upper arena, however, that is not right, so UH you lost 2 loyal supporters. We are now watching the prelude to the game on TV. Go Rainbow Wahine….and I see many empty seats in the Upper Level…..Cindy you are spot on!
Rocky, i will pass along your comments to the admin. thank you
UCR up 15-14 at the TTO. Highlanders with 4 aces so far. UH is so used to a different speed of serves and hitting that I think it’s hard for them against a team that is playing at a slower speed.
2. speaking of ridiculous. na wahine game is starting somewhat ridiculous.
somewhat uninspiring start for UH. down 21-18. UCR hasn’t won a set since going up 2-0 vs. Cal Poly Oct .20. a streak of 21 straight over the last seven matches.
TO UH
The Wahine better wake up. UCR is playing good volleyball and UH is not executing.
As for clearing the arena, I don’t think UH has an issue with letting the volleyball fans in early, in fact if I’m not mistaken fans with tickets for tonight’s volleyball match were allowed to attend the basketball game for free. The problem is that basketball is general admission and UH has to clear the arena between games to open up the reserved seats of the volleyball ticket holders.
UCR with its third block. up 23-19. TO UH
11. No, they were not allowed in. Arena was cleared. i was in the arena. they didn’t let people in until after 7
Hawaii has come out flat and sloppy. Maybe they thought they could easily handle Riverside. Time to shed that cockiness and get down to business. Riverside looks poised to take the first set and end a month’s drought.
Whats with the Wahine. Not prepaired for this match. They play like this tomorrow night Davis will eat them up. Better match on ESPU USC/UCLA.
UCR is just playing better.
16. they did. better serving, better defense. Bri Holmes tooling the block, has 7 kills already. out blocking UH 3-1. 20 digs. 4 aces.
whats with the wahine? does the armor (block) need oil/polish? does the shield (digging) need to be mended?
Not true Mongoose…if a vb ticket had been scanned during bball, then arena emptied before vb, that ticket would now be no good for re-entry unless they were allowing handstamp gate to exit bb/enter vb. I’ve come to the dual wbb/mbb games in precious years and they never once cleared the arena between games! Admin doesn’t seem interested in increasing attendance for Wahine sports!
UH leaders only know how to take. Must learn to give. Promotional minded not.
Not costing them much or hardly anything due to most tickets already paid for.
The basketball fans who may have stayed for volleyball, would probably buy something from the concession stand. Extra sales. The volleyball fans who came early adds more fan support.
For tomorrow UH should announce to the volleyball fans at the game tonight that they will allow them to enter during the last 10 minutes of the game. Tomorrow during the basketball game announce that they can stay and watch in the general admission area.
Givers gain.
Why does the UH live stats site abbreviate UCR as UCRVB?
20. trust me. they aren’t going to change. Their excuse will be that it’s too late to do something.
UCR already has 5 aces?!?
UCR is playing out of their minds. The Wahine have to crank it up or they will be in very deep trouble.
21. probably because it’s volleyball and they just did a BK game
it is ugly. UH up 15-13 at the TTO
na wahine better step this up now. its embarassing that the ‘bottom of the league’ is essentially outhitting, outblocking and outdigging you.
Sorry, guess I was mistaken about letting volleyball ticket holders attend the basketball game. Thought I heard MacNamara say that on Curran’s show the other day. I must have misinterpreted. Too bad as it was a great cross-promotional opportunity. I agree with everyone saying that UH has to find ways to take advantage of these scheduling situations to build the fan base across sports. Not doing so is very short-sighted.
SC falling apart in the 5th…
and outace-ing you! nice ace by anderson btw.
Hawaii up 18-14. TO UCR
28. you did mishear. but it is silly that they didn’t do something. Saturday UHBK will be against Stanford. should be a large crowd.
UH has pulled away to 23-15. TO UCR
ah i heard something about shoji chewed out na wahine. thats sad to hear that became necessary.
UCLA beats USC in 5.
UH wins 25-19
UH can’t block to save their lives tonight…
not sure what game wahine was trying to play in set 1 but whatever. onto set 3. wahine needs to play volleyball and not let something like set 1 happen again.
The good news is that UH pulled away in set 2. The bad news is that I saw Nikki Taylor holding and then shaking her elbow as she ran off the court. Hope she didn’t reinjure it.
Glad UH could take the second set. Noted that Nikki Taylor grabbed her elbow after that last hit. Is she hurting again? How will she hold out till the end of the match? We’re not out of the woods yet.
34. don’t know what you’re talking about. you ‘heard’ from who?
they introduced the men’s team at half-time. Milan Zarkovic, Siki’s dad is quite the artist. and did a nice art work of the Shoji 40 year T-shirt to give to him.
TV showed Nikki holding her right elbow some and then shaking it as she was running off the court . She made the last kill .
37. UCR smaller hitters tooling well.as for their block. UCR has been covering well.
42. Taylor has been doing that all season. think you’re reading more into it.
#1 — wildcard, you take some of your opening comment back ?
UCR shows no signs of backing off in set 3. UH had better stay sharp.
Ace by Higgins, UH up 11-6 TO UCR
UCR on a 4-0 run, closes to 13-10. TO UH
wahine going tipsy again. lets go bows!
UH up 20-14. TO UCR
Hawaii wins 25-14 on a 5-0 run.
At last Hawaii has breathing room. Keep up the momentum into the fourth set.
nice serves by claire. wahine puts away set 3 nicely.
So Utah beat Colorado. Any chances that Utah might make it to the playoffs?
1. Don’t look like the reserves will get to see much playing time. Not like Basketball. Watched tonights game and Beeman used alot of her reserves. Of course the reserves in Basketball have D11 or Jr. College experence.
C’mon Wahine. It’s too early to put it on cruise control.
Nice close-out by the Wahine. Credit to UCR for bringing a lot of youthful energy to the match. Their freshmen played well.
Interesting, scores are doubles, 19-25, 25-19, 25-14, 25-14. Hawaii finally woke up and showed spark and energy. Hope Hawaii can wake up earlier tomorrow.
54. wins over USC, Colorado, Washington and Oregon. Yes Utah is easily in.
I’m so disappointed in hawaii’s ball control this season. Need some passers next year, hope Mitchem and Granato are good passers.
UH wins 25-14. back later.
Fan phones if you want ro call 296-1420
Is it just me or did the match seem a lot closer than the scores indicate?
Pac-12 may very well get 10 teams in this year…very impressive…
is it really their passing just sucking it including even more and more as the season goes on or is this match was defense not to par (blocks, digs, receiving)?
anyways i wont comment on the win, but requiring a 4 set punch out was obviously not necessary on a ‘weakling’. wahine better keep davis under control tomorrow. and especially do not get aced/out-aced including that quickly to another ‘weakling’.
Ginger was on the TV post game show, she is a well- spoken young lady .
Cindy a little late and past your deadline, but……senior nite match is suppose to be a white out. Told Billy V. after the match was over and he announced it over the PA a little too late, my bad.
65. I got it in the second story about White Out. Thanks
didn’t make the first one. I had 1 minute to send that one in. Second story has quotes.
63. Wouldn’t call UCD a weakling. Would not be surprised if their coach gets Coach of the Year. Conners has them playing well in his first year. Was a late hire.
62. Pac-12 might get 9 or 10 in. SC is in 10th at 8-12.
Cal and WSU won’t get in.
Utah 9-11, some good wins. RPI 46.
RPI going into the week
1. Stanford. 4. Washington. 8. Oregon. 13. Arizona. 17. UCLA. 23. USC. 24. Colorado 35. Oregon State. 41. ASU. 46. Utah.
41. nevermind the announcement said shoji chewed out sarah for not getting the ball. but seriously uh stuggled in blocking, digging and receiving tonight and was easily aced quickly. they need to work on that to deny davis of having a chance to win tomorrow.
45. and what part of my opening comment needs to be taken back?
67. did said new coach conners exist during na wahines first match vs davis at davis which was a sweep for na wahine? either way davis is still a ‘weakling’ compared to na wahine that is. but pray that our ladies dont mess up again tomorrow like set 1 today. that was a bad expose of weakness so let that be a feint should davis be scouting.
64. concur!
I normally only read but since nobody has brought my thoughts up. Cindy I believe its a matter of fairness. If the basketball tickets are lower than volleyball, then it wouldn’t be fair for the volleyball people who paid a higher price. Letting the volleyball people in early would be difficult to clear the basketball people out. If you raise the basketball ticket to include volleyball then you may lose some of your basketball fans. Maybe there is another solution but IMHO its not as simple as it may seem. As for #11, maybe you would be willing to pay a higher price but what about other people? Again, its all about fairness IMO.
Not surprised by the 1st set loss, Hawaii is last in conference digs. During the 1st set the most glaring issue were the 7 balls that landed in area 4 (Wahine left back), either hitting the libero or without arms reach. Every libero out-digs our liberos and even Greeley, Nikki, and Higgins have out-dug our liberos. Just how bad is our digging (digs/digs per set)? Hawaii: 1641/14.5, LBSU: 1862/17.4, CSUN: 1877/15.9, UC Irvine: 2117/17.8, UCSB: 2492/18.5.
blunite – i’m not sure it’s as simple as that. hawaii is a solid blocking team this year, which, of course, reduces the digging stats, among other factors. maybe last in digging, but 1st in blocking. i would agree with part of your premise though, that there are weaknesses in hawaii’s floor defense this year.
i would also add that much of the kills that landed in area 4/5 were partially deflected. the block was ineffective for much of the night. and kills deflected off the block are tough to pick up. as a positive, mendoza did great last night anticipating the tip shots to area 4.
Season ticket holder of Wahine basketball and volleyball, I hope when I exit the SSC for basketball and re-enter for volleyball that I will get a team photo. For the fans that go to both games today, why can’t we wait inside the SSC and have our tickets scanned inside instead of going back outside. Just and idea to keep us wahine basketball/volleyball fans happy.
@Cubicle1126
You can tell that to Shoji, because he had a few words with Mendoza at 21-18. (He was angry and even gestured at area 4 on the court.) The Hawaii block was ineffective because Riverside ran a fast attack and our blocks did not have time to close. This was noted by Ryan Tsuji during the halftime report. Stats do not lie, even Stanford has 1806/16.4.
blunite — adjustments needed to be made, for sure. i would be yelling at my players too to get their attention. the right adjustments were made after going forward, imo, so clearly it worked. it looks like they shifted mendoza’s positioning on the court a little. that too me signals that adjustments became necessary, because the opposing team was doing things differently from the original scouting reports.
maybe stats don’t lie, but they don’t always tell the whole story. the dig stats alone (as you presented them) tell only part of the story. i thought it necessary to add some additional context. that’s fair, right?
Florida leads Texas 2-1…Gators doing a good job of containing UT’s big hitters…so far, that is…
Is it possible that UH cleared the arena to clean up the mess made by the bball fans.
People going to complain if they get kicked out with no place to sit and people will complain if they arrive at their seats and there are soda spills….hot dog wrappers and peanut shells.
Imagine how much headache the SSC staff going to have to go thru when you have multiple fans all over the arena looking for the folks to clean up the mess under their seats.
Much easier solution is to clear everyone out….bring in the clean up crew and clean the mess up all at once.
71 I believe our digging statics has more to do with the defense that UH plays. Our libero, as well as other players appear to be each defending a specific area on the court. Our libero does not appear to be given rein to roam freely to wherever the play is happening – like most other teams. If you look at team digging statics going back several years, UH routinely appears at the bottom. Can’t compare Sarah’s digging numbers to other liberos who are given free rein to cover wherever the ball is at. Having said that, Sarah did not receive or dig particular well in set 1. She will have a great game tonight!
Cubicle1126
The point of bringing the stats into the conversation is to indicate the magnitude of the problem from a macro (big picture) perspective. I don’t care about set 1, and losing 1 game is almost insignificant; however, a continuing pattern of inconsistency that endures the whole season is cause for pause. In layman’s terms, last night’s set 1 is a microcosm of a bigger problem that has endured the whole season, and the stats are the proof of the problem.
Re: 62 Haven’t read the NCAA Championship Selection Committee’s rules in a while, but last I remember all at-large teams must have a better than .500 overall record. Thus, USC’s 15-15 record automatically disqualifies the Women of Troy from “bubble” consideration — unless the language has changed to a W-L overall record of .500 or better.
Still waiting for the results of Mary Wise’s #6 Florida Gators at Jerritt Elliott’s #3 Texas Horns (#1 recruited class in the nation of 2010 are now seniors!). Should Florida win, the apple cart is upset again, as logically and regionally, you would expect the following to be the top seeds:
IOWA Regional (Big-12 territory): Texas
MINNESOTA Regional (Big Ten territory): Wisconsin
Louisville, KENTUCY Regional (ACC territory as Louisville is now an ACCer): Joe Sagula’s North Carolina (26-2) or Chris Poole’s Florida State (28-2)
WASHINGTON Regional: Washington
So which region will they send Stanford, which I’ve said too many times will be the NCAA Championship Seed 1? I am thinking Iowa, and should Texas lose today (Saturday), that will make the Selection Committee’s job all the more easy.
Go Bows!
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blunite — i have no issues with looking at stats. i like to as well and think there’s tremendous value in them. but i disagree with looking at a single stat in isolation.
that said, if dig stats are going to be looked at, just looking at straight digs per set stats isn’t the best tool. a better one might be a “digs to dig attempts” ratio. it’s not one that shows up in the published stat columns, but i do not doubt the coaching staff has it available to them.
orbitalripz — teams need to be .500 or better. that rule changed a few years ago. usc, at 15-15, is eligible for an at-large selection.
Florida won it in 5…
#3 lost to #6 15-12 in the 5th, btw.
Stanford to Iowa with Texas to Kentucky it is (as lowly Iowa State would unlikely face a top tier Big12 Texas for a third time this season in supposition).
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They’ve done a very nice review of the Shoji/UH/Thompson phenomenon which is Rise of the Wahine.
http://variety.com/2014/film/reviews/film-review-rise-of-the-wahine-1201365098/
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71. The up to date stats, Hawaii overall matches second in the BW matches in digs per set 16.00 and third in overall matches 14.97. Wonder where you’re digging up your numbers from.
85 Hey, I just checked and you are right. My post was based on what I remember in the past when I was following it. So, I am glad that they are doing better.
@Holycow
My stats come from the Big West Conference website: http://www.bigwest.org/sports/wvball/stats/. Every team in the Big West is higher than 14.97, except Hawaii.
Mendoza has to “eat” the floor (pancake dig) to get dinks in front of her. Not sure she is fast enough to cover other areas. Besides, Savannah Kahakai often plays next to Mendoza and neither of them are very communicative. Moreover, Nikki, Greeley, and Higgins are more than capable (Nikki especially).
88. That’s last year stats 2013 !
If Hawaii had more digs lets say 2 to 3 more each set they would have had more wins. Having more blocks does not equate to having less digs. If ball blocked but a point not scored means no block added into the stats. Hawaii has blocked a lot this year and many are also returned.
Thus having that 2 to 3 digs more a set the Wahine would and could of been a top 10 team.
Question for anyone, are volleyball hitters similar in a sense like a baseball player. Some can hit fastballs the best, some can hit curves the best and some can hit changeups the best. Can a hitter adapt to hitting fast and slow sets consistenly?
88. http://www.bigwest.org/sports/wvball/
click on stats, Women’s Volleyball Info Center
Umm 91…. A block that ends a play will always be a point. Also, a block than ends a play will also show up in the stats.
Also. Most teams that have great blocking stats will not have as great digging stats (and vise versa) as a block takes a dig chance away from the defenders.
New thread up with Saturday’s scores.
Someone asked about why they cleared the arena. Wasn’t to clean it. I’m in here and not seeing a lot of janitorial staff. but there wasn’t that many fans to make a mess. Maybe 1500.
I think they over-estimated how many people would come to basketball.
It did avoid people with reserved volleyball seats having to ask people with general admission basketball tickets to move.
Still think they could have easily done a 2-for-1 promotion but …
91. Having one or two more digs does not necessarily translate into more wins. You assume the digs translate into more points and more sets won and then more matches won. You still need to pass the ball well and then turn the digs into points. Also you assume more digs without any loss in blocks. Your assertion is too simplistic, but I guess I am being too harsh–after all, you admit you are not an expert.
For me, this team suffers from a lack of focus/mental strength/sense of urgency (losing the first set to Riverside is the latest example), lack of a go-to terminator (Nikki’s is good but not quite yet at Hartong’s level), and really atrocious passing that makes setting more of an adventure than it should be. Some of this is explained by youth of the team, lack of top tier recruits who are now juniors or seniors, and most importantly, ineffective coaching.
We can complain about how unfair the Big West schedule is to UH, how hard it is to recruit someone from the mainland to Hawaii, how big money football has changed the competitive balance in women’s volleyball, etc. etc. Or we can demand more from the program.
We have a good young nucleus with a couple more good players on the way. Hopefully, this year’s experience will translate into better play next year–this will depend primarily on the players and secondarily on the coaches. Both have to want to be much better than they are today.
No response, I’m ‘out’.
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There is double speak when it comes to how much/well the team benefits with a certain 3x Olympian as setter’s-coach.
The HC ultimately and dutifully lacks confidence in his young frosh.
Palama style of VB doesn’t necessarily translate easily into Punahou style, the current quarterback is, thinks-me-entitled gal (i.e. entitlement, all the way around the merry go ’round mulberry bush BIG mother goose egg).
Maverick, yes simplistic. converting a point from 2 of the 3 digs will change a close set score. As you surmise all digs does not convert into points. If Hawaii could convert 2 of those 3 extra digs that would have been a swing of 4 points.
In 5 of the 6 games lost there were 7 matches loss by 2 points. 3 matches loss by
3 or 4 points. Yes simplistic however many Wahine teams were always up there in the numbers of digs when they had a very good year. Of those 5 losses they may have had the chance to win 3. Record would be 24-3.
Sure there are many other things to consider but looking at an increase amount of digs that creates more opportunities to at least score a kill and a point that would have made for different outcomes.
As you know defense this year not as good an consistent of years past. Setting consistently is another topic in itself.
I maybe being to harsh but you appear to be one who knows quite a bit with a swagger type of personality with a name like Maverick.
100. You admit in your latest comment that you need to convert digs to points, which is what I posted. Your comment, “If Hawaii had more digs lets say 2 to 3 more each set they would have had more wins,” is therefore incomplete, given your latest post. You also fail to consider that without more digs, UH could still be a better team with a better record with more aces and blocks, and a higher kill percentage (leaving fewer chances for the opponent to attempt a kill). Again, you are being way too simplistic–sorry, I mean you are just being you, not an expert.